Working on Wiki, Info need!

[Sir Aroun]

I'm working on the wiki but I need help.
Things I need:
1) What are all the hero bodyguards?
2) what are all the Faction bodyguards?
3) what are the current stats, and recruitment info
4) what is the stats and reruitment info for Apani's sub mod
Note: I need stats in this from: http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Byzantine...28M2TW_unit%29, maybe add in training level as well

Thank You.

[Apani]

I suggest you learn to read EDU, so that you can find your answers by yourself. Trust me, it's easy and efficient.

1) Here is how to find out:

type             Princess Zelda I
dictionary       Princess_Zelda_I      ; Dismounted Imperial Knights
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_none
banner holy      crusade
soldier          Castle_Guards, 48, 0, 1.2
officer          Princess_Zelda_I
officer         hyl_flagman6
attributes       hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      3, 0
stat_pri         10, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, blunt, none, 25, 1.2
;stat_pri_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr    ap
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  3, 5, 3, metal
;stat_armour_ex   8, 9, 0, 0, 3, 6, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        6
stat_ground      3, -1, 0, 0
stat_mental      5, normal, highly_trained, lock_morale
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 540, 0, 75, 55, 1000, 1, 999999
armour_ug_levels 0
ownership        hylian
era 2            hylian
info_pic_dir      hylian
card_pic_dir      hylian
;unit_info        9, 0, 17

2) This is quite complicate... In the EDU there are units with "_gen" suffixes who are presumably supposed to fill bodyguards roles, but due to neglected campaign scripting the self-spawning generals start with common units as bodyguards. This is an example of a supposed bodyguard unit in the EDU:

type             Ironclad Elites_gen
dictionary       Ironclad_Elites_gen      ; Exceptional, Bodyguard
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_none
banner holy      crusade
soldier          Ironclad_Elites , 16, 0, 1.875, 0.5
officer         hyl_flagman3
mount_effect     horse +6
attributes       hide_forest, command, can_withdraw, hardy, no_custom, general_unit
move_speed_mod   0.87
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 2, square
stat_health      1, 3
stat_pri         16, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, spear, 105, 1
;stat_pri_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  19, 10, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex   0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        17
stat_ground      -1, -3, 0, -2
stat_mental      18, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 40
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 800, 0, 105, 80, 800, 4, 800
armour_ug_levels 0
ownership        hylian
era 0            hylian
era 1            hylian
era 2            hylian
info_pic_dir      hylian
card_pic_dir      hylian
;unit_info        11, 0, 4

3) I think current stats should not really be accounted for, they're mere placeholders, but you could add them anyways.

[Sir Aroun]

I suggest you learn to read EDU, so that you can find your answers by yourself. Trust me, it's easy and efficient.

1) Here is how to find out:

type             Princess Zelda I
dictionary       Princess_Zelda_I      ; Dismounted Imperial Knights
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_none
banner holy      crusade
soldier          [RED]Castle_Guards[/RED], 48, 0, 1.2
officer          Princess_Zelda_I
officer         hyl_flagman6
attributes       hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      3, 0
stat_pri         10, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, blunt, none, 25, 1.2
;stat_pri_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr    ap
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  3, 5, 3, metal
;stat_armour_ex   8, 9, 0, 0, 3, 6, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        6
stat_ground      3, -1, 0, 0
stat_mental      5, normal, highly_trained, lock_morale
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 540, 0, 75, 55, 1000, 1, 999999
armour_ug_levels 0
ownership        hylian
era 2            hylian
info_pic_dir      hylian
card_pic_dir      hylian
;unit_info        9, 0, 17

2) This is quite complicate... In the EDU there are units with "_gen" suffixes who are presumably supposed to fill bodyguards roles, but due to neglected campaign scripting the self-spawning generals start with common units as bodyguards. This is an example of a supposed bodyguard unit in the EDU:

type             Ironclad Elites[RED]_gen[/RED]
dictionary       Ironclad_Elites_gen      ; Exceptional, Bodyguard
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_none
banner holy      crusade
soldier          Ironclad_Elites , 16, 0, 1.875, 0.5
officer         hyl_flagman3
mount_effect     horse +6
attributes       hide_forest, command, can_withdraw, hardy, no_custom, general_unit
move_speed_mod   0.87
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 2, square
stat_health      1, 3
stat_pri         16, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, spear, 105, 1
;stat_pri_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  19, 10, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex   0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        17
stat_ground      -1, -3, 0, -2
stat_mental      18, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 40
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 800, 0, 105, 80, 800, 4, 800
armour_ug_levels 0
ownership        hylian
era 0            hylian
era 1            hylian
era 2            hylian
info_pic_dir      hylian
card_pic_dir      hylian
;unit_info        11, 0, 4

3) I think current stats should not really be accounted for, they're mere placeholders, but you could add them anyways.

I do not own the game, I a spectator.

[Apani]

You can still donwload HTW and install it without MTW2K, just to see the files, can't you?

[Sir Aroun]

You can still donwload HTW and install it without MTW2K, just to see the files, can't you?

Maybe? Will that work on a Ubuntu? And why can you just tell me?

[Apani]

It depends. Can Ubuntu download things? Of course I could tell you those answers, but that might be unnecessarily longer.

[Sir Aroun]

I don't know. Also you can go on the wiki and do points 3 and 4 better then I can. So if you could just tell me the bodyguards that would really help

[Apani]

I've no experience using the wiki, and I'm not that interested in learning how to right now. I'll tell you the bodyguards, but you should at least try to achieve indipendence when you can.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Ironclad Elites
Gerudadorf
Fire Warriors
Shock Troopers
Korok Warriors
Gohma Queens
Goat Lords
Guardian Maidens
Royal Scrubs
Scyte Lord
Moblin Grunts
Truthbearers
Mighties
Song Sayers
Palace Watch
Great Fairies
Noblemen
Shadow Messenger
Illusionists
Geozards
Zuna Merchantmen
Tokay Hunters
Subrosian Excavators
Horon Mystics

[Sir Aroun]

I didn't ether but I picked it up in a day.

[Aleatorio]

I actually got Knights of Ambi bodyguards as well as palace wacth while playing Labrynna. And they wasn´t the initial basic generals, those got homeguards. Did that happened to you?

[fernavliz]

I actually got Knights of Ambi bodyguards as well as palace wacth while playing Labrynna. And they wasn´t the initial basic generals, those got homeguards. Did that happened to you?

It is not a bug but maybe a little left-over, fix/correct later i think. In the game there are two ways of getting general: 1.- Recruit them in the capital; 2.- over time (on specific turns) you get a general with the message that says something like a new general arrive to serve the empire. Both of the ways are scripted, and you can see them in the file "campaign_script.txt" located in /data/world/maps/imperial_campaign.

I have not verify them all, but the general that are trained usually are the generic expected as mentioned by Apani. The ones that spawn over time are different bodyguards, usualy first tier of the barrack, like hylian infantry, labryna homeguards, etc; I don´t know if it is intended or it was a left over because it caused a lot of problem (I personally tried to script a spawn army to see how it works and i learned why it has to be the like complexity that Neph scripted, because otherwise it would present problems with the campaign model or with creating a new faction leader or having a nameless general, etc. It just many things that can go wrong with these scripts).

[Apani]

I explained it previously:

This is quite complicate... In the EDU there are units with "_gen" suffixes who are presumably supposed to fill bodyguards roles, but due to neglected campaign scripting the self-spawning generals start with common units as bodyguards.

[fernavliz]

I make a (not so) quick check to campaign_script.txt file looking for the bodyguards of the general. I made two list: the Get generals are the generals that spawn in a specific turn (3,10,20,30,...,300 I didn´t check this). I expected to be different over time but i got dissapointed. Never the less is good to have free generals ( maybe that the reason they have "cheap" bodyguards).

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Faction______ Bodyguard
Hyrule_______ Hylian infantry (X14)
Gerudo_______ Marauders(X15)
Goron________ Goron Guardians(X10)
Zora_________ Zora infantry(X14)
Kokiri_________ Kokiri minutemen(X9)
Gohma________ Gohma larva(X8)
Ordona________ Ordona militiamen (X11)
Lanayru________ Conscript(X12)
Deku__________ Forest scrubs(X12)
Moblin__________ Moblin Grunts(X10)
Darknut_________ Masters(X10)
Lizalfos_________ Dinalfos(X12)
Labrynna________ Knight of amby(X12)
Fairy __________ Humanoid Fairy(X10)
Stalfos__________ Scythe Lords_gen
Twili_____________ Shadow messenger(X1) and Twili infantry(X12)
Zola ________ River knight, Swamp men , Man hunter(X4),Cyclops ku, Cueball Dragoons
____________ Geozard(X3), Cannibal

I don´t know how do labrynna gets a borderguards as a general bodyguarsds, it seems to be some kind of bug or maybe i did not find it i don´t know.
The next list are the bodyguards of the general that each faction recruit in their respective capital.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

RECRUIT GENERAL
Faction_ Bodyguard
Hyrule_ Ironclad_elites
Gerudo_ Gerudadorf
Goron_ Firewarriors
Zora_ Shock Troopers
Kokiri_ Korok warriors
Goma_ Gohma Queens
Ordona_ Goat Lords
Lanayru_ Guardian Maidens
Deku_ Royal Scrubs
Moblin_ Moblin Grunts
Darknut_ Mighties
Lizalfos_ Song Sayers
Labrynna_ Palace watch
Fairy_ Great Fairy
Ikana_ Noblemen
Twili_ Shadow Messenger
Wizzrobe_ Illusion

I fell that they need to be mentioned somewhere, because they have better units and anyone could not easily have any idea of them while playing the campaign and just play with the free generals. I did not know that the ordona have goatlords as general bodyguard. I hope it helps.

EDIT: Corrected more or less the display of the lists,

[Sir Aroun]

I make a (not so) quick check to campaign_script.txt file looking for the bodyguards of the general. I made two list: the Get generals are the generals that spawn in a specific turn (3,10,20,30,...,300 I didn´t check this). I expected to be different over time but i got dissapointed. Never the less is good to have free generals ( maybe that the reason they have "cheap" bodyguards).

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Faction Bodyguard
Hyrule Hylian infantry (X14)
Gerudo Marauders(X15)
Goron Goron Guardians(X10)
Zora Zora infantry(X14)
Kokiri Kokiri minutemen(X9)
Gohma Gohma larva(X8)
Ordona Ordona militiamen (X11)
Lanayru Conscript(X12)
Deku Forest scrubs(X12)
Moblin Moblin Grunts(X10)
Darknut Masters(X10)
Lizalfos Dinalfos(X12)
Labrynna Knight of amby(X12)
Fairy Humanoid Fairy(X10)
Stalfos Scythe Lords_gen
Twili Shadow messenger(X1) and Twili infantry(X12)
Zola River knight, Swamp men , Man hunter(X4),Cyclops ku, Cueball Dragoons
Geozard(X3), Cannibal

I don´t know how do labrynna gets a borderguards as a general bodyguarsds, it seems to be some kind of bug or maybe i did not find it i don´t know.
The next list are the bodyguards of the general that each faction recruit in their respective capital.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

RECRUIT GENERAL
Faction Bodyguard
Hyrule Ironclad_elites
Gerudo Gerudadorf
Goron Firewarriors
Zora Shock Troopers
Kokiri Korok warriors
Goma Gohma Queens
Ordona Goat Lords
Lanayru Guardian Maidens
Deku Royal Scrubs
Moblin Moblin Grunts
Darknut Mighties
Lizalfos Song Sayers
Labrynna Palace watch
Fairy Great Fairy
Ikana Noblemen
Twili Shadow Messenger
Wizzrobe Illusion

I fell that they need to be mentioned somewhere, because they have better units and anyone could easily have any idea of them while playing the campaign and just play with the free generals. I did not know that the ordona have goatlords as general bodyguard. I hope it helps.

EDIT: I´m having problems, the lists doesn´t show. Let me see if i can fix it

thank you also is this right : http://hyruletotalwar.wikia.com/wiki/Telara

[fernavliz]

I don´t know, i guess.

1)For the heroes bodyguards i made a list based on the EDU (export_descr_units.txt) file, where it contains all the stats of every unit. There were some units that have differents name, like a soldier name, used for the model i think (for the kokiri minutemen i think it is kokiri_primary; So maybe this list is somewhat
worth it). (it took me some time, i hope it helps)
first is the hero´s name, then the bodyguard unit type, then the quantity of soldiers for normal scale, then quantity for huge scale , then some comments for some bodyguards that has something special or doesnt have a separate unit in the game.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Hero........................ Bodyguard............ N.s.norm... N.s.Huge...... Comments about bodyguards
Princess Zelda I......... Castle_Guards............. 48..... 120
Princess Zelda II....... Archer_Knights............. 48..... 120........ Hyrulean knights archers
Princess Zelda III...... Ironclad_Elites............. 25..... 62.5
Princess Zelda IV....... Hylian_Infantry............ 50..... 125
Princess Zelda V........ Mounted_Hyrulean_Knights50..... 125
Rauru........................ Hyrulean_Macemen........50..... 125........ Hyrulean knights with maces
Kazakk..................... Ironclad_Elites............. ...25..... 62.5
Akazoo.................... Ironclad_Elites................ 25..... 62.5
Ganondorf................. Vagrudanon................ 24..... 60........ like gerudadorf but with green clothes
Nabooru................... Gerudadorf.................. 24..... 60
Runeka.................... Mounted_Dune_Archers.... 32..... 80
Twinrova................. ashinon generals ............ 5...... 12.5.... Yes, just as it sounds
Twinrova Witch.......... Wind_Witches.............. 10..... 25...... It does not appear in campaign or custom battle
Darunia...................... Ruby_Guards............... 15..... 37.5
Dangoro..................... Goron_Rams................. 5...... 12.5
King Dodongo.............. alone
King Farkos................. Bigocto_Riders........... 20..... 50
Princess Ruto............... Zora_Healers............ 24..... 60
Zaleen........................ Infiltrators............... 8...... 20
Telara........................ Zora_Mages............. 24..... 60
Saria.......................... Emerald_Archers........ 75..... 187.5
Mirora........................ wolfos riders.............. 50..... 125
The Great Deku Tree... Alone
Mido......................... Kokiri minutemen....... 80..... 200
Sulkaris.............. ....... alone
Matriarch................... alone
Infested Mido............... royal larva................ 70..... 175
Mayor Bo.................... Goat_Lords................. 30..... 75
Rusl........................... Ordona_Militiamen......... 65..... 162.5
Ilia............................. Ordona_Horsemen........ 75..... 187.5
Annara........................ Mounted_Rangers ............32..... 80...... self explanatory
Laruto.......................... Ocean_Guard.............. 60..... 150
Queen Rutela................. Guardian_Maidens......... 10..... 25
Prince Ralis.......... Coast_Riders......................... 50..... 125
Aydia................. Conscripts............................. 60..... 150
Deku King............. Royal_Scrub......................... 60..... 150
Deku Princess......... Royal_Scrub........................ 60..... 150
Voice of Odolwa....... Forest scrubs..................... 80..... 200
Stallord.............. alone
Undead Onox........... alone
Lord Akazoo........... Wallfloormaster.................... 90..... 225
King Ganon............ alone
King Bulblin.......... Bulblin_Riders......................... 40..... 100
Ogalon................ Moblin Grunts....................... 50..... 125
Impa.................. Truthbearers.......................... 7..... 17.5
Agahnim............... Kingmakers.......................... 10..... 25
Onan.................. Mighties............................... 14..... 35
Senturon.............. Masters............................... 16..... 40
Vaati................. alone
Zalunbar.............. Legendaries.......................... 12..... 30
Okakusha.............. Treehopper.......................... 65..... 162.5
Vakat................. Aeralfos................................. 10..... 25
Nardu................. songsayer................................ 27..... 67.5
Talik................. Dinalfos.............................. 50..... 125
Queen Ambi............ Palace_Watch................. 45..... 112.5
Ralph................. Knights_of_Ambi .................. 45..... 112.5
Veran................. alone
Fairy Queen........... Great_Fairies....................... 5...... 12.5
Dezaia................ alone
Tarm.................. alone
Igos Du Ikana......... Noblemen............................. 30..... 75
Keeta ???
Garo Master................. Garo_Ninja...................... 10..... 25
Gomess ???
Midna.................... Twili_Infantry........................... 45..... 112.5
King Zant.............. Shadow_Assassin...................... 20..... 50
Argorok................ alone
Middee................. Bonemold_Monk............................. 40..... 100
Nostrum................ Pyro............................................ 40..... 100
Carock................... Illusion........................................ 40..... 100
Princess Sokuuf....... manhunters................................. 60..... 150
Baruuda Kan........... cyclopsku.................................... 20..... 50
King Zarosef.......... river knights.................................. 20..... 50
Archduke.............. octozora....................................... 60..... 150
Malon................... Mounted_farmer_Archers................. 32..... 80
Ashei................... Hyrulean_Knights............................. 50..... 125

I have not played with all of these units, so there is a posibility that some are mistaken.

3)It is a lot of info, and it may change from every game update ( i remember the darknut deity having like 12 soldiers in version 3.0.1 and now it has like 30).
A quick way to see them in the EDU file (Look for the explains at the beginning). For the total defense i am not sure.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Soldiers
Attack first
Charge Bonus second
Weapon Type
Total Defence sum of first and second
Armour first
Defence Skill second
Shield third
Hit Points
Recruitment Cost
Upkeep

Example from EDU:
type Town Guards
dictionary Town_Guards ; Italian Militia
category infantry
class light
voice_type Light
banner faction main_none
banner holy crusade
soldier Town_Guards, 60, 0, 1
officer hyl_flagman3
attributes hide_forest, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
move_speed_mod 1.05
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 5, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 3, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, none, 25, 0.6
;stat_pri_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr light_spear, spear_bonus_4
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 2, 5, 0, leather
;stat_armour_ex 0, 4, 5, 7, 3, 6, 6, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 0
stat_ground 0, -1, 0, 0
stat_mental 7, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 200, 25, 85, 65, 200, 4, 200
armour_ug_levels 0
ownership hylian, slave
era 0 hylian, slave
era 1 hylian, slave
era 2 hylian, slave
info_pic_dir hylian
card_pic_dir hylian
;unit_info 7, 0, 9

I anexed the EDU file.

[Sir Aroun]

To: Arya Snow
Thank you for adding some info to the top of the page,

[Apani]

I suggest you put the old generals into a separate list. By the way, how did you get their models?

[Sir Aroun]

I think it is ok as is (they are labeled old after all) as far as the models they where/are still in the wiki's database.

[HTD]

To: Arya Snow

If anything, you should be flaming and insulting me on my talk page instead of on TWC (we are the same person).

you for undoing a hour of work by deleting the cheep unit part

These so-called 'cheap' bodyguard units are minor bugs, it's not necessary to detail them.

refomting the whole page.

Why not? The page looked very ugly beforehand. Compare the two versions: before and after.

you had no right to do that.

This is a wiki, I'm allowed to do anything that benefits it. Making pages look better is one thing. Adding useless information is not.

I think it is ok as is (they are labeled old after all) as far as the models they where/are still in the wiki's database.

Why the heck are the old general models necessary? The gallery is already huge as it is, even moreso when the expansions come out, and you shouldn't contribute to that by adding the outdated models (which aren't quite necessary).

[Sir Aroun]

If anything, you should be flaming and insulting me on my talk page instead of on TWC (we are the same person).

These so-called 'cheap' bodyguard units are minor bugs, it's not necessary to detail them.

Why not? The page looked very ugly beforehand. Compare the two versions: before and after.


Why the heck are the old general models necessary? The gallery is already huge as it is, even moreso when the expansions come out, and you shouldn't contribute to that by adding the outdated models (which aren't quite necessary).

I am sorry for the outburst it was uncalled for but please stop removing the old general models it is nice to be able to see them, if it make you feel any better I put them at the end on the gallery this time. Also while the "cheep" unit is a bug people still need to know what they are getting into. Lastly Think is that I'm angry because I one of the few people who seems to care about fixing up the wiki (no matter who small) and all I get for it flak.