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    Default Composition of an Antigonid army

    My question has to do with the army composition(s) of the Macedonian army during the antigonid reign, seeing that's in the EB-timeframe. I was looking at some descriptions, browsing the forum and I came to wonder wether it would be justifyable to train both peltastai makedonikoi and hypaspists in the same game/army.

    I've done some research, and hypaspist seemed to have had their time during Alexander's campaign. By the time the Antigonids came to power, the name 'hypaspist' only seems to have lived on as messengers and administrators. The elite unit to guard the flanks of the phalanx and perform assault roles was now the Antigonid Peltast, a.k.a. the peltastai makedonikoi.
    Within the latter unit seems to have been the agema (the elite of the elite, I'm still not sure how to interpret this). Would the 'agema' have had different armour in respect to the peltastai makedonikoi, thus justifying the use of hypaspist for this 'agema' within the Antigonid peltasts?
    I ask this question because the peltastai seem to have the stats to be shock troops more than anything, and the hypaspists have the stats to form a brick wall next to your main line.

    Another has to do with the pezhetairoi, would these guys be the only ones in the phalanx, seeing they're only one section of society - the voting property owners? Would there be a mixture of different social classes mixed in (like the Romans in the camillan era) to form a line of Phalangitai deuteroi, pezhetairoi; And perhaps Argyraspidai, seeing them as a picked infantry corps, the best of both Deuteroi and Pezhetairoi based on skill?

    It's a long read, I know. If anything I've stated isn't right, feel free to correct me, I'm here to learn.

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    Default Re: Composition of an Antigonid army

    Quote Originally Posted by Killzone_040 View Post
    Within the latter unit seems to have been the agema (the elite of the elite, I'm still not sure how to interpret this). Would the 'agema' have had different armour in respect to the peltastai makedonikoi, thus justifying the use of hypaspist for this 'agema' within the Antigonid peltasts?
    The Seleukids have a unit called "Thorakitai Agematos Basilikou," which seems to be the Agema you're referring to ... and which, from the article, appears to have been an evolution of the Hypaspistai. So it seems that yes, you could have both Hypaspistai and P Makedonikoi, but at some point you should drop the Hyps for the TAB.

    Another has to do with the pezhetairoi, would these guys be the only ones in the phalanx, seeing they're only one section of society - the voting property owners? Would there be a mixture of different social classes mixed in (like the Romans in the camillan era) to form a line of Phalangitai deuteroi, pezhetairoi; And perhaps Argyraspidai, seeing them as a picked infantry corps, the best of both Deuteroi and Pezhetairoi based on skill?
    I don't think the Pezhetairoi would be the only ones in the phalanx, no. Most of the Phalanx would presumably have been Klerouchoi Phalangitai; so if you have 10 Pike units, you'd probably have 7-9 Klerouchoi, and 0-1 Pezhetairoi and 0-1 Pantodapoi Phalangitai (Seleukids don't get Deuteroi). In an important army, like a Royal Bodyguard, you'd probably kick up the ranks a bit - maybe 1-2 Argyrapsidai, 5-6 Pezhetairoi, and the rest Klerouchoi.
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    Default Re: Composition of an Antigonid army

    The TAB sure seem to be what I expect of an agema, in the role of a royal bodyguard unit, a pure brick wall!
    Would Pezhetairoi be the descendants of Alexander's own troops, or were they just the standing army? I suppose the klerouchoi were more of an active reserve, tiling the land until the need for them arises.
    In an EB-game, apart from garrisoning, I don't see much point in using deuteroi (Macedon) or pantodapoi (Seleukia) for they were only levied when the situation was dire, or am I misinterpreting things?

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    Default Re: Composition of an Antigonid army

    Pezhetairoi are regular soldiers, not necessarily descendants. Descendants may have joined the royal guards or the Argyraspids.
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