Amanda Knox Guilty ("for realsies this time" says italian court!)

[Fluttershy]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/30/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

The witch hunt by an embarrassed Italian prosecutor's office marches on with the Italian court flip flopping AGAIN.

Now the fun part, does Obama meekly hand over Knox or does he flip Italy the bird? TElling Italy to stuff it seems to be the smart play here, both republicans democrats and the VAST majority of the American populace are offended by this italian kangaroo court. It seems an easy way to score brownie points with just about everybody in the US while also saving an innocent women from being imprisoned.

Plus the whole double jeopardy thing gives ample room to argue against the extradition treaty.

I think theres very little chance Knox ever sets foot in Italy again, thoughts?

[Roma_Victrix]

I think theres very little chance Knox ever sets foot in Italy again, thoughts?

That's a shame really; she'll never get to ride in a Venetian gondola ever again! Italy is not a country I'd like to be barred from going to due to litigation, especially since I've got a planned trip to go there with a group of friends and fellow postgraduate students for the summer!

As an American, I think I'll be fine so long as I keep my mouth shut about Foxy Knoxy. To do that, I'll just stuff my mouth full of cannoli instead.

[Gaidin]

She apparently has a third appeal before extradition is an issue for those writing OPs and not actually reading their articles.

[Adar]

I am not sure on what's more disgraceful.

The Italian court system or the American knee jerk response...

[Condottiere 40K]

Obama won't want to get involved, and let the Justice Department handle her deportation.

[Basil II the B.S]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/30/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

The witch hunt by an embarrassed Italian prosecutor's office marches on with the Italian court flip flopping AGAIN.

Now the fun part, does Obama meekly hand over Knox or does he flip Italy the bird? TElling Italy to stuff it seems to be the smart play here, both republicans democrats and the VAST majority of the American populace are offended by this italian kangaroo court. It seems an easy way to score brownie points with just about everybody in the US while also saving an innocent women from being imprisoned.

Plus the whole double jeopardy thing gives ample room to argue against the extradition treaty.

I think theres very little chance Knox ever sets foot in Italy again, thoughts?

''Innocent''. She's just been convicted. Sounds like you already decided everything and your opinion is biased. Because that's how the American brain works apparently, since the ''vast'' majority of the population, as you say, does the same reasoning: she's American, she must be innocent.
Oh btw, welcome to the Italian justice system, it has always been like this, so please America, keep your sociopath students in your country so that they can murder each other.

[sumskilz]

she's American, she must be innocent.

No, that's not it at all. It's this:



That said, from what I know there are a lot of holes in the case and it seems like there is plenty of reasonable doubt. Though I know nothing about how the Italian courts system works.

[Basil II the B.S]

No, that's not it at all. It's this:

She's fairly ugly if that's what you are implying..

Besides, her at the time boyfriend and fellow recent convict tried to marry another American girl to get the green card and has just been arrested attempting to escape to Austria.
Totally the behaviour of someone who knows to be innocent.

[Phier]

She's fairly ugly if that's what you are implying..

This always comes to mind...



Personally I'd hit it like a Mack truck.

But anyways, the issue is that almost NO one seems to have any real details of the evidence in this sort of thing. The article in question said absolutely nothing important there.

So we have two parts pretty white girl syndrome, one part "lol Italy", one part "acquitted", and ten parts "I don't know what happened but I have a strong opinion on it".

Personally I have absolutely no idea if she is guilty or not. If she gets extradited, I'm not going to have my panties in a bunch. If she doesn't, I'm not going to cheer for justice. This is a weird case, with weird people, and a very nasty murder.

[Fluttershy]

This always comes to mind...



Personally I'd hit it like a Mack truck.

But anyways, the issue is that almost NO one seems to have any real details of the evidence in this sort of thing. The article in question said absolutely nothing important there.

So we have two parts pretty white girl syndrome, one part "lol Italy", one part "acquitted", and ten parts "I don't know what happened but I have a strong opinion on it".

Personally I have absolutely no idea if she is guilty or not. If she gets extradited, I'm not going to have my panties in a bunch. If she doesn't, I'm not going to cheer for justice. This is a weird case, with weird people, and a very nasty murder.

[Knight of Heaven]

It seems an easy way to score brownie points with just about everybody in the US while also saving an innocent women from being imprisoned.

How do you know she is inocent? I confess i dont know many of the details, but from what i read, they murder the young british girl because she refused to participate in an orgy of drugs, and sex. Granted for we all know might not be intencional, it might be even part of a stupid retarded joke that went wrong, yet doesnt excuse her and the other guy. Again im in no position to tell if she is inocent or not, and how much blame she has, but i think mixing politics with this case, its not very wise.
Obama has nothing to do with this.

who was found with more than 40 stab wounds and a deep gash in her throat.

Yeah i doubt it wasnt intentional, or that was an acident at all.

[Pielstick]

It's all quite sad really with everyone focussing on the "celebrity" of Amanda Knox, and now the inevitable nationalistic dick waving between the US and Italy...

The real victim here - you know the 21 year old who was sexually assaulted and murdered - and her family have been all but forgotten in the media circus.

[Mangalore]

Since people start posting photos as if it mattered, do we fetch our dusted phrenology books to measure her skull proportions for homicidal traits next?


It's actually unclear to me if this indicates the Italian justice system being in trouble or actually working. I mean, obviously there are problems in the evidence gathering and such but it at least looks like a very extraordinary case of going through all the instances of the court system including a retrial because the Italian supreme court sees serious errors in the proceedings. If that's what a court finds the court is supposed to do that, same with the revision and appeal courts.

The only question is whether this stuff is still worth the hassle but a justice system is supposed to ignore the hassle as well and stick to procedure.

Otherwise the murder seems to have happened in a drug induced state of all involved so quite possibly the accused don't really know what happened either.

[Roma_Victrix]

It's all quite sad really with everyone focussing on the "celebrity" of Amanda Knox, and now the inevitable nationalistic dick waving between the US and Italy...

The real victim here - you know the 21 year old who was sexually assaulted and murdered - and her family have been all but forgotten in the media circus.

That always seems to be the case. People aren't interested in memorializing the victims who were just average people; they want to know the deep dark secrets of the minds of twisted psychopathic killers. Do you think anyone gave a damn about learning the details about Jeffrey Dahmer's victims and their families? No. They wanted to know every little juicy detail about Dahmer and how he evolved into a serial killer and cannibal.

My sympathies go to Meredith Kercher and her family, though, for what it's worth.

[mrmouth]

and now the inevitable nationalistic dick waving between the US and Italy...

Please show me some examples of nationalistic dick waving. News flash: nobody in the US gives a . And anyone with their head attached correctly gives one giant facepalm to the Italian justice system that could keep this farce going on inevitably. All while they have a guy convicted for the crime who has at least 2-3 priors involving significant violence, and knives...

[Basil II the B.S]

The dick waving is entirely American on the basis of the already mentioned ''she's American, she must be innocent''. The crime happened in Italy and therefore the trial to ensure that some justice is made is in Italy. I can assure you, if the US decide not to extradict her basing it on the already mentioned dumb nationalist principle, Italy won't really make a huge deal out of it. There will be an official request according to international law, it'll be up to Obama to either act by the law or not.
There's really nothing else Italy can or will do about it.
America would be protecting a convicted criminal and guilty of breaking international law. A criminal country home of criminals.

[Gaidin]

The dick waving is entirely American on the basis of the already mentioned ''she's American, she must be innocent''. The crime happened in Italy and therefore the trial to ensure that some justice is made is in Italy. I can assure you, if the US decide not to extradict her basing it on the already mentioned dumb nationalist principle, Italy won't really make a huge deal out of it. There will be an official request according to international law, it'll be up to Obama to either act by the law or not.
There's really nothing else Italy can or will do about it.
America would be protecting a convicted criminal and guilty of breaking international law. A criminal country home of criminals.

I'm not sure what the hell you're worried about. The US has extradited plenty of people before as long as they weren't official representatives of the state. Then they'll cut off a damn arm and a leg to keep them out of trouble.

This is one of the reasons Double Jeopardy is in the American constitution. Speaking of which, will that play a role for America's extradition proceedings? Countries may not extradite if they disagree with another's judicial process.

Hey look, another person who hasn't read the article and noted the fact that she has at least another appeal before extradition comes into play.

Like Italy should care for all the judicial hassle about an US girl that have or not murdered an UK girl. For what I care all this should be settled by an US or UK court so we can be spared from the US dick waving at us.

Are you saying Italy shouldn't care when someone is murdered there? Well, that's some useful information should you ever make it to a politically powerful position.

[Principe Alessandro]

Are you saying Italy shouldn't care when someone is murdered there? Well, that's some useful information should you ever make it to a politically powerful position.

Well the fun fact is that in Italy the juridical system was completely butchered by a political class that was seeking impunity from its crimes so many criminals are left unpunished, and go figure out that now from US we hear funny stories how our "barbaric" system judicial system is going to lock forever a innocent beautiful american girl (anyway she isn't beautiful, just average) and that they should send marines to free her.

For what I care you should take care of all your drug addict youngsters coming here pretending to study.

[YuriVII]

Hey look, another person who hasn't read the article and noted the fact that she has at least another appeal before extradition comes into play.

Wow defensive much? Just because her defense attorney says that it "shouldn't be part of the conversation" doesn't mean it can't.Double jeopardy and extradition are valid things to bring up and were brought up extensively in the article. It would seem to me already a valid concern. She was already convicted, then acquitted, than convicted again on the same charge. It seems to already make this next ruling on her irrelevant because Italy already shot itself in the foot with the Americans by violating double jeopardy. I highly doubt the US would acquiesce to these demands and I highly doubt Italy would stand by and not ask for an extradition if this next appeal does not go in Knox's favor.

[6th Vigil]

Double jeopardy and extradition are valid things to bring up and were brought up extensively in the article. It would seem to me already a valid concern. She was already convicted, then acquitted, than convicted again on the same charge. It seems to already make this next ruling on her irrelevant because Italy already shot itself in the foot with the Americans by violating double jeopardy. I highly doubt the US would acquiesce to these demands and I highly doubt Italy would stand by and not ask for an extradition if this next appeal does not go in Knox's favor.

I think you're misunderstanding the Italian legal proceedings. Now, I've only down a brief look over the Italian legal system but technically the trial is still ongoing and has been for the last few years.

I'm sure about this, and I'm certain some more educated person in this topic will correct me on this, but Amanda Knox was convicted guilty under the Corte d'Assise but that simply means that she can be referred to as the defendant and remanded in custody in until the the Corte d'Assise d'Apello (the appeal court for these types of crimes) makes its ruling. In this case the latter acquitted Amanda Knox of her charges, however there is one more rung up the ladder before all this is over, the Corte Suprema di Cassazione (or the Supreme Court) which simply examines whether the courts beneath followed the correct procedure and interpretation of the law, not any of the evidence. Consequently, this Supreme court ruled that the previous court acquitting Knox had proceeded in an illogical way and thus a retrial was arranged under a different Appeal court and thus Knox and co were found guilty. This new ruling itself is also under the burden of being examined by the Supreme Court again which could confirm or throw it out. Therefore this is still the same trial, until the final word from the Supreme Court the trial is still ongoing. Granted this is just from my meager understanding but it doesn't look like double jeopardy to me. One poster said to look at it as one trial split into three parts rather than three separate trials and I think that is perhaps the best way of viewing this.

Frankly, I think this whole matter has been so over saturated by media coverage from the British, Italian and American press that it is inevitable that it would turn into nationalistic dick waving. I remember hearing about this years ago and had no idea it was still ongoing till the other day when I subsequently learnt how long the Italian legal proceedings can take. I personally couldn't give a whether she's acquitted or found guilty but if the Supreme Court confirms the recent ruling then I expect the US will extradite her back to Italy regardless of ill founded public opinion, or at least they should.