Has Rome 2 Vanilla now reached the level of Rome 1 Vanilla

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

A few people in this thread have no idea what Rome 1 vanilla was like less than a year after release...

NO IDEA

Maybe.I however played Rome 1 back when I did not have the internet and did not know about patches until a guy in pc world told me about them.I was shocked that I could not bring a different game back to them and get my cash back as there were patches on the internet even though I did not have the internet.Rome 1 was more fun to play than what we have now.

[Plinius]

I don´t think we can compare RTW to TWR II. Games were created in different time when players had absolutely different requirments. If you compare games, you will have to consider level of fun or gameplay. I think the Rome was game which was made with bigger ambitions, focus on details and new battle mechanisms and new engine and was created longer time and mainly there was competition in strategy genre.


My opinion is
the Rome II was made in hurry, without competition, with desire create product for all and mainly CA did BIG MISTAKES: there wasn´t public beta test, battle mechanism was made too simple and etc.....

[High Fist]

Then what increases the quality of a game, Suketch?

[PointOfViewGun]

Then what increases the quality of a game, Suketch?

Talent does.

[High Fist]

Talent does.

Money buys people with talent.

[PointOfViewGun]

Money buys people with talent.

You'd think so but no. First of all, it's pretty hard to identify talent in such a subject. Your talent for FPS games might mean nothing for an RTS game. Even in the movie industry, money doesn't buy talent, it buys celebrities. Talented actors often play in low budget movies as well. Plus, talented people would probably only go for subjects that interest them. As Total War is unmatched in this genre, it's really hard for them to spot talented people.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

You'd think so but no. First of all, it's pretty hard to identify talent in such a subject. Your talent for FPS games might mean nothing for an RTS game. Even in the movie industry, money doesn't buy talent, it buys celebrities. Talented actors often play in low budget movies as well. Plus, talented people would probably only go for subjects that interest them. As Total War is unmatched in this genre, it's really hard for them to spot talented people.

Rubbish you have to have qualifications and go to college and pass exams to work in the industry.That is how you get a job.And you keep your job if you do well.The PR department are fantastic at fooling the mob but the guy's with computer programming qualifications have the talent too it is just that the games Empire and Rome 2 were sent out early to make cash.The product should not be let out to the buyers until ready.We are not paying for a Beta game that we test for them.We are paying them to do this and when the product is quality tested it should then and only then be let off the work floor and into shops.There is no way that these educated people who have qualifications and have been making these games many years going back to Shogun 1 are not able to see Empire and Rome 2 were not in a fit state to sell to us.I remember a CA guy say on the official forum he would not give the Empire game to friends on release day as he would be too embarrassed to do so.Then what are we.What the hell are we..The fools paying cash.

If we accept broken beta games that get patched and hope we forget about it by the next game then that is what we will continue to get.
People here have beaten wife syndrome.They make excuses and blame themselves and others and accept the beating..No matter how many times they get told to leave they still hang onto the nostalgia of the love.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

We all loved Rome 1 and nobody loves Rome 2 enough said.

[surg3on]

We all loved Rome 1 and nobody loves Rome 2 enough said.

I remember when Rome 1 came out I actually hated it. Medieval 1 and its weird checkerboard pieces and huge unit variety appealed more to me at the time.

[TheItalian1]

Ok look, you can compare Romes 1 and 2 but do not compare vanilla especially since its has barely been six months since its release. I enjoy the game for what the series has always been, filled with a great community, more historical accuracy than most games of any genre from these periods, and huge epic 3d battles. It is a pc game, made by the Creative Assembly and SEGA, but there are mods out there for us to use and enjoy so go do that and then you can attempt in another thread at complaining about the mods for this game. You cannot complain about the vanilla game anymore because nobody plays it unless you have some issues. That's all I have to say..for now

[Travisfv]

I'm actually surprised now at how stable Rome II is for me. I was sick as a dog all weekend and in between my feeble attempts to help shovel and hacking up at least two of my lungs, I was able to manage 180 turns in a radious mod campaign without a single crash, running non stop from 9 am to 8pm.

Rome I I can't get to run for an hour without it crashing. And mods? Nothing ever works. And I install them correctly, my computer just doesn't like them.

[Carl Jung was right]

Like I said in an earlier post, the reason why I dislike Rome II, is that to me, the game lacks immersion. It doesn't feel like I'm playing as a driving force of historic events. It feels like a very arcadish, quasi-simulatory battle generator software.

That's why Rome 2 will never be as good as Rome 1 for me, unless the whole design is radically overhauled from the ground up. Namely I would like to see complex settlement development, national wide policy decisions, and total removal of character "level up" to be replaced by diverse rosters of chance based traits like in previous TW games.

[Zephyrus]

I would rather play vanilla Rome Total War, than play RTWII.

[Pontic Pontus]

Its amazing how, from the start of the poll, theres always been 10 percent neutral, 30 percent for and 60 percent against.

[lt1956]

I don't know what my two cents are worth, but I will share my thoughts anyway.

As a modder of RTW1 and an owner of RTW2 I feel that RTW2 is not worth modding for me and some other modders. I really do wish it was and my hope was based on STW2 being such a nice title with some nice features including sea battles.

I decided to spend the $60 and get RTW2 and I really wish I didn't as I feel I wasted my money. I wont go into a bunch of technical information, but based on the Mechanics of the game looking at the files or what can and cannot be added, I find this game very limited and what I like to call "Dumb Down". This is a trend that is happening to ALL the newer games and its sad, because the younger generation will never know what it was like to have the old titles even with the crappy graphics by today's standards (most y9ounger ones cannot get past the ungly graphics).

RTW2 is lacking in many areas and is basically stripped down version of RTW1, MTW2 and perhaps even STW2. As a modder I can say there is only so much we can do, like RTW1 we could only do so much with what we had to work with. I found some nice additions in RWT2 that I would have loved to seen in RTW1, but those additions do not outweigh the missing features or mechanics of the previous titles.

To say which one is better if like Apples and Tomatoes (love apples) both are called apples but they are two different animals in flavor and use. The same is true with RTW1 and RTW2, they are two different animals and shouldn't really be compared but treated as different titles with only Rome as a common theme, if this game was called "Rome the Empire" this debate would not have even started. I consider RTW2 to be a NEW version of the Total War franchise and I don't really like where that franchise is going, but that is just my opinion. The old TW franchise is gone and will not be coming back and whether you love it or hate it, it's done and there is nothing we can do about it. I personally will not buy anymore titles from CA, not because RTW2 is a bad game, but because its different from the previous titles I loved before....

If others get pleasure playing RTW2 and if that is what the market wants then CA made the right choice for their "new" fans.

Sincerely,

Lt1956

[Nordmann]

Personally, I found vanilla Rome 2 better than anything Rome 1 could come up with in a mod-less state. The latter was just plain bad until modders got to work.

[Pontic Pontus]

Still the same percentage for each option since the start lol.

[lt1956]

Here is a review some Brit has done. Not bad on some of his points based on the game. I don't know who he is or what mods he plays but he covers a lot. I am in no way involved with this review and feel the guy could have watched his language better, but he did sum up a lot of the problems with the gameplay of RTW2 for people like me and others.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXkWfEIALxM
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6eaBtzqqFA

[Pontic Pontus]

hup hup huzzah!

[PointOfViewGun]

Here is a review some Brit has done. Not bad on some of his points based on the game. I don't know who he is or what mods he plays but he covers a lot. I am in no way involved with this review and feel the guy could have watched his language better, but he did sum up a lot of the problems with the gameplay of RTW2 for people like me and others.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXkWfEIALxM
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6eaBtzqqFA

Those reviews are probably the worst reviews out there. Some of his points are outright wrong or trivial. He doesn't even touch the real issues about the game. Just rants about idiotic points on and on. It's certainly a parody of the word "sane".