why atheist care

**Talbaz** · October 04, 2006, 09:20 PM

Why atheists care

heres a nice little video but there one think wrong am a eagle scout but am a atheist why because no one even ask what religon i had so um......yeah

**Da Skinna** · October 04, 2006, 09:43 PM

I like the porno music though...

Actually, it is nonsense that Atheists are disenfranchised from office, but it's just as nonsense to believe that there is absolutely no god.

**Niles Crane** · October 04, 2006, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Da Skinna

I like the porno music though...

Actually, it is nonsense that Atheists are disenfranchised from office, but it's just as nonsense to believe that there is absolutely no god.

But that is atheism.

**Richard the Lionheart** · October 04, 2006, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Da Skinna

I like the porno music though...

Meh, I thought some parts of the video had good points, but others were just anti-religion propoganda.

For example, even if there were no religions at all in this world, there would still be terrorism and war throughout the world.

**DarkKnight** · October 04, 2006, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Da Skinna

I like the porno music though...

Actually, it is nonsense that Atheists are disenfranchised from office, but it's just as nonsense to believe that there is absolutely no god.

You seem misinformed about what an atheist is. You mentioned two key words. Believe and absolutely. First of all, there are two major types of atheists, strong and weak. A strong atheist might fit the description you gave. They are the people that "know" or "believe" or whatever that God does not exist. There is not a doubt in there mind, they are sure God doesn't exist. However, weak atheists simply do not have a belief in God. They do not believe that God does not exist. They simply lack a belief in God. They also are not absolute. Most weak atheists follow pure reason and logic to draw there conclusions about God. It is from this that they do not have belief in God. However, if later in life reason showed to them that God exists, they would not stubbornly adhere to a "belief" that God does not exist, but adjust their position.

I am a weak atheist, and my best estimate would be that the majority of TWC atheists are weak atheists as well.

And I could just as easily make the same statement you made. It would be nonsense if Christians were disenfranchised from office, but it is just as nonsense to believe in Christianity.

**Da Skinna** · October 04, 2006, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by DarkKnight

You seem misinformed about what an atheist is. You mentioned two key words. Believe and absolutely. First of all, there are two major types of atheists, strong and weak. A strong atheist might fit the description you gave. They are the people that "know" or "believe" or whatever that God does not exist. There is not a doubt in there mind, they are sure God doesn't exist. However, weak atheists simply do not have a belief in God. They do not believe that God does not exist. They simply lack a belief in God. They also are not absolute. Most weak atheists follow pure reason and logic to draw there conclusions about God. It is from this that they do not have belief in God. However, if later in life reason showed to them that God exists, they would not stubbornly adhere to a "belief" that God does not exist, but adjust their position.

I am a weak atheist, and my best estimate would be that the majority of TWC atheists are weak atheists as well.

And I could just as easily make the same statement you made. It would be nonsense if Christians were disenfranchised from office, but it is just as nonsense to believe in Christianity.

Okay, I've never heard the description you made, but to clarify, I was aiming at your "strong" Atheist, the weak one I've only ever heard described as a non-believing agnostic. Thank you for informing me though.

I was actually wanting to add that it's nonsense to disenfranchise from office any people for their beliefs, but refrained for reasons beyond at me at this point. :hmmm:

**RZZZA** · October 05, 2006, 12:03 AM

"I am a weak atheist, and my best estimate would be that the majority of TWC atheists are weak atheists as well."

I always thought a weak atheist was also known as an a agnostic...

**Shazbot** · October 05, 2006, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by RZZZA

I always thought a weak atheist was also known as an a agnostic...

It is...

**God** · October 05, 2006, 10:13 AM

In my view atheism is simply the opposite to theism. If a theist admits that there is a possibility that he is wrong, does that make him an agnostic? No. So why should an atheist who admits the possibility of being wrong be classed as agnostic?

I am a 'weak' atheist. I don't believe there is a God(s), but I'm not completely ruling out the possibility.

**Da Skinna** · October 05, 2006, 11:08 AM

New dictionary entry: Disillusioned Atheist.

In my view atheism is simply the opposite to theism.

That's hilarious.

**God** · October 05, 2006, 11:13 AM

Well you know what I mean...

**Marcus Scaurus** · October 05, 2006, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Da Skinna

That's hilarious.

Why?

**mongoose** · October 05, 2006, 04:50 PM

Actually, it is nonsense that Atheists are disenfranchised from office, but it's just as nonsense to believe that there is absolutely no god.

Even if you acept that it's a nonsense belief, it's still not as bad as banning people from office because of their lack of religion.

**Da Skinna** · October 05, 2006, 11:43 AM

I do, it reminds me of "Asexuality is the opposite of sexuality. Atypical--typical, etc"

**Shaun** · October 05, 2006, 05:36 PM

In my view atheism is simply the opposite to theism.

Thats also true by definition.

If a theist admits that there is a possibility that he is wrong, does that make him an agnostic? No. So why should an atheist who admits the possibility of being wrong be classed as agnostic?

I agree. An agnostic is a person who holds the view that god is unknown and is not commited to either believing or not believing in a god, a theist who admits he might be wrong is still commited to believing in one, but is only acknowledging the possibility that one might not exist, the vice versa is also true of atheists, we are still commited to not believing, but some of us admit that one might actuallly exist.

I am a 'weak' atheist. I don't believe there is a God(s), but I'm not completely ruling out the possibility.

Same here, it would be foolish to rule out such a possibility, even though it is 1/infinity, im a very strong atheist, but I admit that I think there is a very minute chance that I might be wrong.

**ZaPPPa** · October 05, 2006, 06:35 PM

I am an atheist, although I do not discarding the possibility that a God exists, because, like you said, that would be foolish.

I am actually not opposed to religion at all, it is organized religion that I despise. Religion in principle is a beautiful thing, but human greed and hunger for power has corrupted it beyond repair.

**Marcus Scaurus** · October 06, 2006, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by ZaPPPa

I am actually not opposed to religion at all, it is organized religion that I despise. Religion in principle is a beautiful thing, but human greed and hunger for power has corrupted it beyond repair.

You can also say that organized religion is human greed and hunger for power.

**Talbaz** · October 05, 2006, 06:59 PM

am atheist religon as it is like zappa said has been courrpt and they only thing i see it good for is it's a nice easy and already in place to teach someone moral of crouse moral were around before religion so you don't really even need it for that