Future of TW – i hope [scaledown soldiers - more men!]

**Amorphos** · October 04, 2006, 03:29 PM

Future of TW – i hope [scaledown soldiers - more men!]

i would love to see a return to shogun size units, with the pc's we have now you could have realistic numbers of soldiers! To me that would be more impressive than flashy graphics, and was the original ethic [i feel] i.e. Gameplay over graphics.

what do you reckon?

**augustusingreen** · October 04, 2006, 03:32 PM

well it would b nice, but i no it would drive my pc nuts. and i say gameplay and graphics. im sure its possible w/our technology

**El_Greco** · October 04, 2006, 03:33 PM

naaaaaaah , I like the 'eyecandy'

better graphics same number of soldiers

**The Mongol** · October 04, 2006, 03:33 PM

I reckon it's not going to happen for a while.

CA is most definately not going to cut down on graphics to get more men on screen too.

**Coor Blimey** · October 04, 2006, 03:35 PM

Like the idea of having masses upon masses of soldiers on screen.

Although personally I prefer the 3d engine, I do think MTW was a better game than RTW ( Most do I believe ) but something I love about the 3d Engine is being able to zoom down to stand beside your front line, watching the enemy march up and charge, it just gives me an immense sense of WOAH!

So I guess for me it is a ...

... I prefer to have the graphics over more men, also the fact I couldnt handle that many soldiers would also add weight to my personal claim.

Aslong as M2TW gets the missing aspects of MTW that werent in RTW I will be happy and from what I have read here it seems it has done a pretty decent job. Even heard the AI keeps Alliances

or at least better than it did.

Hope that is something useful for you to read on my opinion.

Happy Posting.

**snuff** · October 04, 2006, 03:35 PM

I like the eye candy and sales would really drop to the recreational fan, so it won't happen.

**augustusingreen** · October 04, 2006, 03:38 PM

somebody should at least make a mod fixing that then

**the_mango55** · October 04, 2006, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by attila of nazareth

Future of TW – i hope [scaledown soldiers - more men!]

i would love to see a return to shogun size units, with the pc's we have now you could have realistic numbers of soldiers! To me that would be more impressive than flashy graphics, and was the original ethic [i feel] i.e. Gameplay over graphics.

what do you reckon?

return of Shogun size units? The max men in a unit for shogun was 200 IIRC, with a max of 16 units.

MTW2, since it uses the RTW engine, the max number will be 240, with 20 units.

so, max STW army: 200*16 = 3200 men
max MTW2 army: 240*20 = 4800 men

**snuff** · October 04, 2006, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by the_mango55

return of Shogun size units? The max men in a unit for shogun was 200 IIRC, with a max of 16 units.

MTW2, since it uses the RTW engine, the max number will be 240, with 20 units.

so, max STW army: 200*16 = 3200 men
max MTW2 army: 240*20 = 4800 men

I believe he means go back to Shogun/MTW graphics so we could put 40,000-100,000 men on the screen.

**augustusingreen** · October 04, 2006, 04:12 PM

that would DEFINITLY not be worth it. i love watchin the dudes in their pathetic 1 on 1 struggles in rtw.

**spirit_of_rob** · October 04, 2006, 04:13 PM

I much prefer having the battles look awesome i dont think i could return to massive units of coloured blobs in a NEW game

**Amorphos** · October 04, 2006, 04:16 PM

Sorry i meant soldier size!

I would keep the 3d engine just with smaller scale soldiers like aoe kinda, they would still look ok, and i would like to be able to fight realistic battles – numbers count! Look at the barbarians in rtw for example, in reality there would have been many more than say romans, yet this never happens in the game because it cannot. The only way to compensate is to make them stronger, which is unrealistic – we all know that a key element is strength over numbers [except with archer units perhaps esp horse archer].

**LSJ** · October 04, 2006, 04:31 PM

I hope that the game specs stay the same as they will be in MTW2 for years.
The graphic abilities are great in the new game, but my computer can't handle thousands of men on a screen. The requirements for mass battles are beyond most computer's abilties (I mean ones that most people have, not the Japanese ones made last night). If the game were to stay of its current level of graphics but get better AI, I'm sure more people would be pleased.
In a few years I'll probably have a computer able to play mass battles on MTW2, and that is as much graphics as I need. AI is very important for gameplay, especially on campaigns.

**Cauldyth** · October 04, 2006, 04:40 PM

Hi folks,

I think graphics overhead is only one price you pay when increasing the number of units. Individual soldier AI seems to actually be more costly. I recall in RTW, having modded the number of soldiers per unit to something considerably larger, the game slowed to a crawl. However, if I paused the game (in which case the AI was no longer doing anything but the graphics were still rendering) everything got perfectly smooth.

It seemed to me like the soldier AI was eating more CPU cycles than the graphics were eating GPU cycles. If that's the case, I wouldn't want to sacrifice that AI for increased numbers.

**The Mongol** · October 04, 2006, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by attila of nazareth

Sorry i meant soldier size!

I would keep the 3d engine just with smaller scale soldiers like aoe kinda, they would still look ok, and i would like to be able to fight realistic battles – numbers count! Look at the barbarians in rtw for example, in reality there would have been many more than say romans, yet this never happens in the game because it cannot. The only way to compensate is to make them stronger, which is unrealistic – we all know that a key element is strength over numbers [except with archer units perhaps esp horse archer].

No thank you, I would rather keep it as it is now.

One of the best parts of TW is watching the battle close up, this would completely ruin the series.

**~~Yosemite~~** · October 07, 2006, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by attila of nazareth

Sorry i meant soldier size!

I would keep the 3d engine just with smaller scale soldiers like aoe kinda, they would still look ok, and i would like to be able to fight realistic battles – numbers count! Look at the barbarians in rtw for example, in reality there would have been many more than say romans, yet this never happens in the game because it cannot. The only way to compensate is to make them stronger, which is unrealistic – we all know that a key element is strength over numbers [except with archer units perhaps esp horse archer].

You mean something that combines AOEII/Total war/Total Anihilation.

**LuKe** · October 07, 2006, 02:09 PM

I want Shogun:TW 2. I think it will be great

**AlfonsoVIII** · October 04, 2006, 04:45 PM

The processor is the main driving force behind RTW. Look for my article in the Eagle Standard in the immediate future.

**Amorphos** · October 04, 2006, 05:01 PM

oh i thought it was about memory for soldier amounts.

Duel processors [esp, of the future], would cope with many men surely? Smaller soldiers would have less animations, and the animations would work with less textures = less workload?

**Spartan** · October 04, 2006, 05:29 PM

It will likely be something more robust then we have now as CA has copyrighted "Empire Total War" #3081563 and oddly enough they let "Legend Total War" expire. I think that name was related to the "Spartan Total Warrior" title that was not well received by gamers.