Political Correctness = Ridiculousness

[Kristopher Ellis]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/why-people-...215633128.html


How far do we push the extent of political correctness? Why is it that ensuring we don't offend someone's religion out weighs our own rights? Why does the institutionalization of political correctness spread like a disease?

The government does nothing because they are too afraid of offending.
Religions do nothing because its widely used as either an excuse or competition.

If there were no religion and no government would we be better off? A world where we could manage ourselves and not have to adhere to the beliefs of politicians, constitutions, deities, or belief based doctrines.

Food for thought.

[Himster]

We're social organisms and naturally require/produce social mores in order to live together with minimal violence. If we each lived on an island where we could grow our own food for and by ourselves as individuals then we wouldn't need these social mores/political correctness. But we live in cities, towns, countries, continents, a planet: Together and we have to live together. So........
You might think these current forms of social mores are inefficient, so let's discuss then and change them, as they have to change and evolve according to our constantly changing social circumstances.

[conon394]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/why-people-...215633128.html


How far do we push the extent of political correctness? Why is it that ensuring we don't offend someone's religion out weighs our own rights? Why does the institutionalization of political correctness spread like a disease?

The government does nothing because they are too afraid of offending.
Religions do nothing because its widely used as either an excuse or competition.

If there were no religion and no government would we be better off? A world where we could manage ourselves and not have to adhere to the beliefs of politicians, constitutions, deities, or belief based doctrines.

Food for thought.

I think you are over reacting. The student was not demanding a change in class room policy in general or in the class but a one time exemption from a one time event for a personal reason. Hardly unusual professors make all kinds of exceptions all the time. More interestingly this may point to a flaw in the remote class system because it looks to be a failure of communication. I am old enough that group projects in IT and Econometrics were almost constant due to limited computing or software resources, but most people could talk their way out of them. Group activities are always tricky I can recall a I had great semester in 400 level Math Models because we did groups of three and the two Actuarial guys I found where fun to work with and we all had complimentary skills and had a blast drinking ourselves to a stupor after getting work done. Same way I always worked with same person a women named Amy in Econometrics. Because in both cases the Instructor allowed groups to form first and assigned the remainder. Not really that fair because Amy and I were the only A students, same with my other example. You could argue that allowing self selection was just as bad since friends or driven students self selected their groups/pairs

[Mangalore]

I think you are over reacting. The student was not demanding a change in class room policy in general or in the class but a one time exemption from a I time event for a personal reason. Hardly unusual professors make all kinds of exceptions all the time. More interestingly this may point to a flaw in the remote class system because it looks to be a failure of communication. I am old enough that group projects in IT and Econometrics were almost constant due to limited computing or software resources, but most people could talk their way out of them.

Why should he get an exemption for a normal requirement? I would dare say many people have real phobias about doing classroom presentations but the whole point of them is to overcome that and at least find the self confidence to do it even if they will never be great orators. In a way I would argue that kind of distress is far more pressure than be able to conduct oneself professionally in a study group and we still expect people to do that if they want to get good grades.

If it's irrelevant for grading, good for him, if it's not he shouldn't get an exemption for part of the soft skills and get a fail for not showing up.

A medical condition would be a plausible excuse to a point, if it's solely personal he fails a the social bits of academics.

[Condottiere 40K]

Slippery slope.

[mongrel]

How does this persons skiving off affect our rights?

[athanaric]

How does this persons skiving off affect our rights?

I think the argument is that his case will set a precedent, and that if he is successful, others will follow, for whatever religious or other made-up reasons.

[mongrel]

I think the argument is that his case will set a precedent, and that if he is successful, others will follow, for whatever religious or other made-up reasons.

And the detriment to us of this feeble decision is?

I anticipate that the educational establishment itself would suffer inconvenience and the feeble reasons offered could cause offense, but what bunking off the odd day off school got to do with government or wider society?

[AqD]

How does this persons skiving off affect our rights?

Because it should be a part of education, to fix those people and change them to fit what we believe, to become better or at least not worse.

If he cannot change, perhaps he doesn't deserve the right to receive modern education - perhaps he should even be cast out from the society because what he believes essentially undermines the value of others. If more and more people become like him, all you have today will be gone and it'd be dark ages again.

[Yosemite]

looks like this individual is asking something for himself, not others

[fkizz]

According to contratualists such as Rosseau, Thomas Hobbes, and John Locke, living in society is Not mankind's natural state (or "state of nature), and hence why they mention the famous "Social Contract", where the natural state is abandoned and its advantages alienated as to achieve the state of society with a sovereign, where expectations of potentially being better off exist.

I do think many examples of ridiculous PC exist but people are too blocked by fear of being called racist to act out. I would provide one or two example but I don't want to be called a bigot so I'll pretend they don't exist.

[mongrel]

I do think many examples of ridiculous PC exist but people are too blocked by fear of being called racist to act out. I would provide one or two example but I don't want to be called a bigot so I'll pretend they don't exist.

A copy and paste phrase oft said. The problem is with those people who cry out PC is that too often their stories are made up. The Winterval story is a classic example of this.

http://www.webcitation.org/632P1zVAc
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/winterval-the-truth/
http://www.webcitation.org/632PVQm8Q

There was also a front page story of the publicly-funded Muslim only toilets which were neither publicly funded , nor Muslim-only

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...C-ADJUDICATION


If people who have a hang up about minorities, women , whatever, debate on a fair and truthful basis, I am sure the world would be better off.

[Erebus Pasha]

This is a topic more suited to the Academy. Moved there.

[Aurielius]

I am a firm believer in the concept that your rights end where mine begin, so I think the students request is a fallacious assertion of religious freedom. We have become so afraid of exercising the right of unfettered assembly and free speech because it might harm the delicate sensibilities of some which in turn has developed into the tyranny of the minority.

[mongrel]

I am a firm believer in the concept that your rights end where mine begin, so I think the students request is a fallacious assertion of religious freedom. We have become so afraid of exercising the right of unfettered assembly and free speech because it might harm the delicate sensibilities of some which in turn has developed into the tyranny of the minority.

I still fail to see how someone bunking off class, because that what it is, infringes our rights. I am pretty sure people are able to go to work, go to a bar, school, or nightclub , etc despite this brazen act of skiving. The best one can say is that his excuse seems offensive.

[KieKeBooN]

Political correctness? It's been a while since I last saw that in politics..

[Himster]

I think the political correctness is a cultural invention designed by and for mass media and the mainstream to give the impression that their product is somehow fringe or going against the grain and therefore "cool". There is nothing more mainstream than political incorrectness. Like the Simpsons or South Park, or GTA, these are products that are consumed by billions of people based on the selling point that they are "politically incorrect", it's a marketing ploy, arguably the most successful marketing ploy in recent history.

[Princeps]

funny how there are numerous people who would argue that compelling him to attend mixed company is itself ridiculous pc liberalism and feminazism of the highest degree, which really shows you that political correctness is actually a nonexistnt, meaningless term. meaningless because it means so many things to different peolpe. the real problem here is that there are bigots of all kind who do not wish to coexist with other different people and see elementary good behaviour as evil oppressive liberalism.

[Rijul.J.Ballal]

People do not examine the values they hold dear to themselves and when truly reasonable questions of an ethical nature arise they find themselves unable to respond appropriately.

[Wismar]

Political correctness will be the end of the christian white world.

Political correctness is about denying facts because of fear of insulting someone that isn't white, straight or christian.