Pink is not really the colour that screams "wrath " just. It's a mild, glad and rococo colour ^^
Unless it's combined with dark colours, claws and sharp teeth! Booyah!
Pink is not really the colour that screams "wrath " just. It's a mild, glad and rococo colour ^^
Unless it's combined with dark colours, claws and sharp teeth! Booyah!
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Haha maybe you are right, maybe the guys that slaughtered three time their kin people should have a more bloody color.
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Maybe we should just give House of Feanor ferret's units, to ensure the "wrath" factor...
The basic model amazing, Algaman! Just needs an armour and it's perfect. But, please, post this type of stuff in your workshop, otherwise you're just giving the pleb free previews .
Neat craftmanship there Algaman
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Nobles of the House of Fëanor (reworked)
Guards of Cuiviénen (Avari Elves)
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Awesome!! I like especially the Avari very much!
Very nice! The Avari looks awesome !!!
I like your units but I seem to always have something to nag about. As guys at FATW have already experienced quite a few times, I nit-pick a lot. But that only means that you got my attention and I’ll try to give my suggestions for improvements from my perspective. It’s up to you to consider them and decide do they make any sense at all.
Reskined Fëanorians look quite good. However, they look like they are barefoot, wearing only hose, or as they have white shoes/boots. White would get dirty very quickly, especially in war conditions. After all, (kin)slaying is a dirty business.
I am also interested in their shields. What do those stripes represent?
I must say those Avari guards look great. However, I wonder are they too heavily equipped for the least developed of the Elves? I might be wrong, but their equipment looks to me at the level of those Noldor have – technology they brought to Middle-earth from Aman. I always imagined them tribal, using hit-and-run guerrilla tactics of warfare. Later, some of them merged with Sindar and Nandor, becoming Silvan Elves. I would assume they would be most similar to them, even more "primitive"; becoming more civilised under Sindarin leadership.
Last thing that crossed my mind was how many Avari were in Beleriand at all? Eöl might be one of them, but others? How far does your campaign map reaches? It can’t go as far as Cuiviénen, right?
Nitpicking is good. Nobody does it quite as well as Aradan, though.
You know the drill, magic elven boots to the rescue.
Milner's creativity .
Yeah, that's where we felt we could use some creative liberty. After all, if we were to 100% follow the lore, the Laiquendi should be a bunch of unarmoured peasants and could not offer any interesting gameplay for the player. Don't worry though, most of Avari/Laiquendi units, except one or two elites, are lightly armoured. They also rely much on archers to do their fighting.
The map will stretch beyond Beleriand and reach Western Mirkwood, both Khazad-Dûm and the Avari will be represented. "Guards of Cuiviénen" is just the name Milner choosed to give some flavour. Better than "Avari Elite Spearmen" don't you think?
There is material to lean against for Avari in Beleriand. I note, while some of them [seemingly more of Noldor-kin, Tatyar, such as Eöl than of Teleri-kin] would be found among the Nandor, and even fewer among the Sindar, most of the very few of them that would come west would not cared to even take part in fighting Morgoth:
Yet while I really like the look and design of the unit I have to concur with Jagmodo, it look really out of place.Originally Posted by HoME 11
The Avari was together with the Nandor on a much primitive level;
If you're going for something that's credible for this what lore concerns, it would be either a unit Avari in Sindar service/outfitted by the Sindar due to service or pay, or folk around Eöl, with the obvious matter that the former would be very rare and the latter equally or even more rare. It would not make sense as armed eastern Avari who took a trip west (and certainly not form the backwater of Cuiviénen [pun intended]), as the further east you get the more primitive the Elves were and are, only in the west Elves gained and developed technology; their gear thus should be detached from their unit name & history, and vice versa.Originally Posted by Silmarillion
That said, artistic freedom is both at your command and by default required to make a good game. I know if anyone; and never mind it, even if folks often think I should [being called a 'lore master' hehe] as long as it is conscious.
Now simply the case is presented (which it just as well migth been already, but I can sleep tighter ^^) and I know you know to what degree whatever choice you make diverse from or cohere to Tolkien.
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Bercor said everything and believe me, Avari units look very wild and poorly equiped in the mod. Guards of Cuiviénen and another unit are the only heavy units of the roster. About Avari and Beleriand, they won't start the campaign in Beleriand, but more likely in the antique forest of Eryn Galen. Milner said that he has something special for them, and even if the factions of Middle-earth (Khazad-dûm and the Avari, for example), won't likely step in the conflict between Elves of Beleriand and Morgoth, they will be interesting to play. I may be wrong but nothing stated that Morgoth had no influence in Middle-earth too, isn't it?
I will finish by this: the game's aim is to allow the player to rewrite history, so obviously we can't follow the lore at 100%, otherwise the player will always lose if playing a Good faction, until the Valinor's Ost come.
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Here is another Avari unit, to show that they are far from being all heavy.
Avari Forest Warriors :
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Note that while Quendi and Eldar proposes Eol as Tatyarin Avar later revision in Of Maeglin has Eol back as Telerin and probable kin of Thingol:
The original text had 'Of old he was of the kin of Thingol, but he loved him not, and when the Girdle of Melian was set about the Forest of Region he fled thence to Nan Elmoth.' In a passage of the 'Túrins Saga' which was excluded in Unfinished Tales (p. 96 and note 12) because it had been used in The Silmarillion (pp. 201-2), it is told that Eöl gave the sword Anglachel which he had made 'to Thingol as fee, which he begrudged, for leave to dwell in Nan Elmoth'.
Against the words 'but he loved him not' my father wrote in the margin of the carbon copy, B(ii): 'Because Thingol was friendly with the Noldor before they left Middle-earth'(cf. X.172). On B(i) he emended the words 'he loved him not' to 'he was ill atease in Doriath', and on an inserted page he roughed out a new story about Eöl.This is in two versions, which are however largely identical.
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To the passage 'But Eöl… was no Dwarf, but a tall Elf of a high kin of the Teleri' my father wrote on the manuscript A (only) a note beginning with the words 'Not in revision' - which probably means that what follows is not in the corrections made to the copies of the typescript ('the revision'). In this note my father was copying a very faint and illegibleform of it on the same page, and trying to interpret his own writing; I give itexactly as it stands:
Eöl should not be one of Thingol's kin, but one of the Teleri who refused to cross the Hithaeglir. But [later] he and a few othersof like mood, averse to concourse of people, … [had] crossed the [Mts] long ago and come to Beleriand.
Against this note he wrote 'but the relationship toThingol would have point', and the date 1971.
War of the Jewels, Of Maeglin
This is in keeping with Dwarves and Men in PoME which also has no Avari in Beleriand.
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Mmm, interesting, though can't claim to be surprised about such an additional tweak haha, rather the opposit.
Indeed Tolkien is doubtful, though weither he did not want to firmly debunk the [HoME 11] references on Avari in Beleriand by remaining just doubtful or weither he (as occured) did not remembered those references at that point is not clear; and so I do not view the references as invalid for anyone who chose to have some Avari present there.
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