British paedophiles are paying to watch the abuse of children in the Philippines via webcams, a BBC investigation has found.

[Stavroforos]

British paedophiles are paying to watch the abuse of children in the Philippines via webcams, a BBC investigation has found.In one case, a British man organised the sexual abuse of five children from the same family.
Charities believe tens of thousands of children are victims of the trade.
On Thursday, Britain's National Crime Agency will reveal how it is working with the American, Australian and Philippine police to target abusers.
A BBC team travelled to the slum of Ibabao, near Cebu City in the south of the country.
'Easy money'Local charities call it the "epicentre" of the trade.
For our own safety, we had a police escort; one of the officers carried an assault rifle.
Officer Denis Comunay, who regularly patrols the slum, said: "You can get easy money from the cybersex."
He showed us a small house, with a corrugated iron roof.
It was almost empty inside apart from a dirty mattress on the floor and electric sockets hanging from the ceiling.



Angus Crawford visits a refuge for victims of cybersex abuse in the city of Cebu

It was what he calls a cybersex den.
"Fathers and mothers would bring their children here to show, and would get paid by the owner of the house," he said.
He explained the property owner forced her own children to "perform" for foreigners using a webcam.
Other people in the community who heard there was money to be made then brought their children too.
At a house nearby there were family photos on the walls, washing still hanging on the line, but it was deserted.
It too was raided by police - a child of two was taken into care.
Public moralityAll of the neighbours said they were shocked to hear about the cases but denied they knew what was going on.
A number of children were rescued after the arrest of Briton Timothy Ford
One said: "How can I know when the house is closed and I did not get inside and see what they are doing?"
But a recent survey indicated that 80 houses in the area were involved in the trade.
Noemi Truya-Abarientos, who works for the Children's Legal Bureau aiming to provide judicial help for abuse victims, said: "It has become a cottage industry."
She blamed poverty and a breakdown in public morality for the rise in the trade, explaining that local businessmen rented out laptops and USB internet connections, so it was easy for families to start.
Parents use internet chatrooms to find "clients" and receive payment through international money transfers.
They justify what they do by claiming that foreign paedophiles do not actually touch the children.
Noemi said this was a myth. "The client gives the instruction to touch this and touch that.
"They even send sex toys to these children."
In Angeles City in the north of the country there were two houses in a slum area raided in 2012 by police from the UK, the Philippines, Australia and the US, showing that law enforcement around the world is starting to tackle the problem.
The abuse took place in slum areas
One neighbour said: "They arrest this person and put them in a van and they take the children away."
Twelve children aged between five and 15 were rescued and several of their relatives were arrested.
'Growing demand'The operation followed the arrest of British man Timothy Ford, from Kettering, in Northamptonshire, the same year. He is now serving an eight-and-a-half year sentence in a UK prison.

When detectives analysed his laptop, they found obscene images and records of money transfers to the parents - he had paid to watch the abuse of five of the children.
He paid as little as £13 to watch what he called "a show".
Officers found he planned to buy property in the area and set up an internet cafe.
Father Shay Cullen, who runs the Preda Foundation - a charity that rescues victims in the nearby city of Olongapo - said: "More and more parents are pushing their children to get involved in this, to make big money.
"There's a huge growing demand and there's a growing supply."
The Philippine government estimates that between 60,000 and 100,000 children are victims of sexual exploitation, many of them in cybersex.
While some children are forced to take part by their own family, others are made to work in cybersex dens by pimps.
This is what happened to Lani when she was 15. "The cybersex den is an evil kind of profession," she told us.
Her aunt promised her a job as a nanny, but when she got to the house she was told she had to "chat" to foreigners.
The "chat" soon turned into demands for her to take off her clothes and "perform" for the men watching on the webcam.
Lani was forced to perform on webcams aged 15
"Perhaps when people hear about cybersex they think it doesn't have any physical effect," she said.
"But it can do things to your core. It can take things from you, your dignity and your purity."
Father Cullen warns that men in the West who pay to watch abuse in poor countries may go on to commit other offences.
"It's the warm-up for a sexual assault on a child," he said.
"And next time it's going to be a child in the UK."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25729140

A truly disturbing story.

Do you think that pedophilia is a larger problem in the West than in other countries? I'm guessing that this specific story also suggests that the interest of Westerners in sexually abusing others and abusing minors plays a large part in keeping these human trafficking and child abuse rings open and profitable around the world.

How would we go about stopping these specific people though? Maybe put all that MI6 spying on its own citizens to good use?

[Adar]

Pedophilia is a worldwide problem and I will monitor the thread for both off topic posting and attempts to use the issue to partake in disruptive posting.

[Lord Thesaurian]

How would we go about stopping these specific people though? Maybe put all that MI6 spying on its own citizens to good use?

Pretty much

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...00-s-of-pedo-s

[Hazzard]

I don't believe it's a wider problem in the West than other places, it's just given a lot more attention. We keep hearing about these cases, I believe that many other countries don't give it as much attention.

Personally, I think we ought to just stock up on the stuff we have now, we must have tons of it, and try to just use that to prevent them going after new victims.

[Col. Tartleton]

In the East you just get raped by your parents or relatives and have nothing to show for it. In the West you get McDonalds if you don't talk about it.

I think the Western system is superior.

But on a more serious bent I think what we're dealing with is the fact that we Western people have money and those Eastern people want it. So they're going to molest kids on webcams for profit and our sick bastards are going to pay top dollar for exotic child porn. Obviously you do what you can to disrupt and put a stop to it and dissuade people on both ends from continuing. However as long as there's pedophiles, money, and broadband this will happen.

[Copperknickers II]

Do you think that pedophilia is a larger problem in the West than in other countries?

This particular sort, yes. Generally speaking, its a lot worse in the developing world.

How would we go about stopping these specific people though?

Probably the same way we are currently stopping them, there are stories like this every week. I'd be more worried if I didn't hear stories like this frequently, at least this way it means they're being caught. I'm sure this problem is relatively limited in its scope, its not like it is a major epidemic.

Maybe put all that MI6 spying on its own citizens to good use?

MI6 doesn't spy on its own people, that would be MI5.

[Gromovnik]

We need more control and censorship, because there are some bad people out there.

[Col. Tartleton]

I mean this is like complaining that there are tons of cam girls in Russia. No , it's Russia. They're just trying to make a buck.

So this is just the next level of depravity generated from the same situation.

I'm sure if you dig deeper you can stream your torture and murder from Central Africa.

[Roma_Victrix]

I'm sure if you dig deeper you can stream your torture and murder from Central Africa.

Someone's ears at goregallery.com just perked up at this idea. Time to revamp the site! To the advertising room!

[Kanaric]

ugh, reminds me of that anime Black Lagoon. There was two characters in that who were insane hitmen that were cam-kids like that.

Also reminds me of Gary Glitter living in Thailand so that he could have young boys as well.

This is of course a practice going back 1000s of years if not longer and it makes you question the value of life. These people ARE this. As in they cannot get aroused unless it's through like this. What creates someone like that?

[Menelik_I]

ugh, reminds me of that anime Black Lagoon. There was two characters in that who were insane hitmen that were cam-kids like that.

Also reminds me of Gary Glitter living in Thailand so that he could have young boys as well.

This is of course a practice going back 1000s of years if not longer and it makes you question the value of life. These people ARE this. As in they cannot get aroused unless it's through like this. What creates someone like that?

Or maybe it is a recent phenomenon from the advent of the internet, where people can sexually excite their brains to such extremes degrees that normal sex becomes unappealing and that only the most extreme form of porn fantasies satisfies them. There is actually a medical condition of people who cannot be sexually aroused by sex because of too much porn and self-stimulation.

So basically the increase in pedophilia might be caused by the limitless availability of pornography on the internet and people not having healthy sexual lives, they basically increase the intensity and weirdness of their sexual fantasies until their brains is only aroused by children being molested.

But you are right that this is an old phenomenon all around the world, I remember hearing a old lady being terrified that I was going to boarding school because in when she attend in the 1950's there were rumors that some kids had their "backs broken" by the staff.

[Denny Crane!]

I realise the BBC focus on the British part because it is to a UK audience but I listened to two interviews with the people who made the report in question and they specifically said they avoided targeting specific countries and the suspects came from 71 different countries. It isn't a British problem and nor is it a western problem the authors took careful notice of.

With the rise of the internet in developing countries it was disturbing to note requests were coming from Brazil, India, Pakistan, Mexico and many other countries.

[Kanaric]

I realise the BBC focus on the British part because it is to a UK audience but I listened to two interviews with the people who made the report in question and they specifically said they avoided targeting specific countries and the suspects came from 71 different countries. It isn't a British problem and nor is it a western problem the authors took careful notice of.

With the rise of the internet in developing countries it was disturbing to note requests were coming from Brazil, India, Pakistan, Mexico and many other countries.

i wouldn't say this is a surprise. It just gives further evidence that not everyone is created equal.

[Denny Crane!]

Yeah I mean there is no excusing them but at the same time no one chooses to be this way. There is obviously a blend of genetics, biology (brain chemistry) and psychology to understand. I get the feeling that the non stop focus on hating them in the public sphere isn't helping them, despite the natural aversion and disgust we feel.

[Simon Cashmere]

Yeah I mean there is no excusing them but at the same time no one chooses to be this way. There is obviously a blend of genetics, biology (brain chemistry) and psychology to understand. I get the feeling that the non stop focus on hating them in the public sphere isn't helping them, despite the natural aversion and disgust we feel.

I'm not with you on choosing to be this way. We all have thoughts good and bad, it's only if we act on the bad ones that we get in trouble. Seinfeld made a joke about a network executive's 15 year old daughter spilling out of her top and both George and Jerry trying not to look. It's only if we act on our thoughts that there is a problem.

The typical viewer of the worst type of pr0n that is either bestiality or underage directed is usually white, middle aged, poor social skills / poor relationship skills. They don't get better, they cant really be treated - they can only be told by society that they will be kerb stomped hard enough so that they won't do it again. We had the spectacle in NSW of the Deputy Director of Prosecutions Patrick Power being busted for child pr0n, and it was fair to say that he was well liked by the defending bar even though he was a prosecutor, to the extent that leading members of the defending bar represented him fore free in his prosecution. The reason he got busted was that he was too cheap to fix his home computer, and brought it in to the IT department at the DPP. The techie backing up the PC found all sorts of terrible files, and got the other Deputy Director, who is now AG, Greg Smith. He was charged and lost everything, his career, position, income, status. Now - do I think Patrick Power was abusing real life children? I doubt it. I think he just got off on viewing this sort of material - however - provided there is a market for this material - children will be abused to provide it, hence it is not a victimless crime.

It does raise the difficult issue of the cartoon depiction of the same imagery - should this be banned as well? In some places it is, like Australia. However, such cartoon imagery is not abusing any children - even if the depictions are distasteful.

[Col. Tartleton]

I get the impression that children getting raped or molested or whatever was pretty common in the past too.

All the internet is doing is providing a conduit to make it more accessible over greater distances. In the old days you'd have to actually go to SE Asia to get off from SE Asian kids. Now you can sit in your apartment if you have a credit card.

I wouldn't discount that over exposure to porn gives people the freedom and temptation to go outside what is normal, but I don't buy the idea that people are getting desensitized away from traditional kinks. But maybe you're right. Maybe we're all potential pedophiles.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

How can they use the internet like this when it gets monitered by prism. Many western men go to Thailand to abuse kids and women who have little income.Gary glitter being high profile but certainly not alone.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

I choose to boycott that anime and heinte type cartoon stuff as it is Japanese girls in school uniform with short skirts and over sized eyes.it is a gate way to weird things and evil pedophilia.no wonder they go to Asia to abuse kids after that. it should be banned.

Pedophiles know they are doing evil stuff they should get help with whatever is wrong with their heads before they act out their lust.

[Denny Crane!]

Nah you are not choosing to be attracted to a baby.

What you are saying is action, yes judge for that, but attraction is not a choice. Let me put it this way, the law is not the thing preventing me raping a three year old. I can not in any way ever choose, devolve or create circumstances where I feel attracted to a three year old. At no point in my life would I ever be able to make that a choice.

Feeling attracted to a 15 year old spilling out of her top? Well a 15 year old can be more physically mature than an 18 year old so that is entirely possible because I am heterosexual male and programmed to like female hips, ass and breasts - so here the age of consent is relevant (as well as general virtue and sensibilities) but then you obviously know that is not a discussion about paedophillia which specifies prepubescent.

[Menelik_I]

Nah you are not choosing to be attracted to a baby.

What you are saying is action, yes judge for that, but attraction is not a choice. Let me put it this way, the law is not the thing preventing me raping a three year old. I can not in any way ever choose, devolve or create circumstances where I feel attracted to a three year old. At no point in my life would I ever be able to make that a choice.

Feeling attracted to a 15 year old spilling out of her top? Well a 15 year old can be more physically mature than an 18 year old so that is entirely possible because I am heterosexual male and programmed to like female hips, ass and breasts - so here the age of consent is relevant (as well as general virtue and sensibilities) but then you obviously know that is not a discussion about paedophillia which specifies prepubescent.

So Pedophiles are just sick ?