Another school shooting (Roswell, NM)

**MathiasOfAthens** · January 14, 2014, 01:50 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A0D11Q20140114

A shooter opened fire at a middle school in New Mexico on Tuesday, seriously wounding at least two teenage students before being taken into custody, police and hospital officials said.
"The shooter has been apprehended," police in Roswell, New Mexico, said in a statement, without giving any further details on the incident or the suspected gunman.
The two injured students from Berrendo Middle School - which was placed on lockdown after the shooting - were taken to a local hospital, where they were stabilized before being transferred to another facility, said Brooke Linthicum, a hospital spokeswoman.
The students, a 14-year-old boy and 13-year-old girl, were taken by helicopter to the University Medical Center in Lubbock, Texas, because it has a Level 1 trauma center, said Eric Finley, a spokesman for the center.

Honestly, there is something wrong with this country if school children are falling back on guns to solve their problems. Everytime there is a school shooting I cant stop to think or wonder if there is some bullied child out there thinking he can solve his problems with a gun as well.

This

does not happen in the rest of the world.

Where did he get his guns? As usual Reuters does not mention where the gun came from. Do any news sources identified the weapons origin?

**Gaidin** · January 14, 2014, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens

Where did he get his guns? As usual Reuters does not mention where the gun came from. Do any news sources identified the weapons origin?

A piece of advice. The story's a half hour old. Tacke it easy and let the investigators do their job. They're a lot better at it than you are, having actually been trained.

**Vanoi** · January 14, 2014, 02:08 PM

Are they reporting every time a shooting happens now?

**Knight of Heaven** · January 24, 2014, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Vanoi

Are they reporting every time a shooting happens now?

Well where i come from it realy never happens, or if does, is realy located incident of sorts. And never in school.
But in America it seems so natural and expected that the americans already find it anoying to be news. So it seems.

**Slydessertfox** · January 24, 2014, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Knight of Heaven

Well where i come from it realy never happens, or if does, is realy located incident of sorts. And never in school.
But in America it seems so natural and expected that the americans already find it anoying to be news. So it seems.

Basically. We just had, what, the 4th school shooting in like 2 weeks?

**MathiasOfAthens** · January 14, 2014, 02:09 PM

There is a shooting every week, so it seems. I know it is too soon to know where the gun came from.

**KieKeBooN** · January 14, 2014, 02:21 PM

Hey, it's 'Murica. Them people raise their kids with guns. It's no wonder to me this happens so often.

**~~Yosemite~~** · January 14, 2014, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by KieKeBooN

Hey, it's 'Murica. Them people raise their kids with guns. It's no wonder to me this happens so often.

actually if they did the kids would have an actual education on firearms
i'd like to know if the shooters were properly educated on firearms by close family and what not

Originally Posted by Holger Danske

Who cares any more, really? Nothing ever changes, not even a massacre of a kindergarten (oh God, think of the Children!!!11) is enough to make America re-evaluate it's gun-fetish, and while gun-violence happens everywhere, no developed country comes even close to that of the US. Let's just close it with the remark that the US deserves all the tragedy that comes with the fanatical interpreation of a horribly outdated amendment and it's unwillingness to change.

should we talk about breivik or did it not fit the narrative

**Simon Cashmere** · January 15, 2014, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by KieKeBooN

Hey, it's 'Murica. Them people raise their kids with guns. It's no wonder to me this happens so often.

That's the thing, it DOESNT happen that often. There are a few hundred million guns. It hardly ever happens.

The majority of people are killed with handguns. The majority of people are killed by felons who have no right to own handguns. Most of the people that are killed, are blacks. Most of the people doing the killing..are blacks.

But that doesn't make the news - the thousands of black men that shoot other black men with illegally owned guns. And those deaths dwarf the Sandy Hook shootings or that Batman cinema shootings. But when its a white guy shooting innocents with an assault rifle, that means ban all the guns. When its black men killing other black men with illegally possessed guns, no big deal, no story.

Sure if you want to pay upwards of 20,000 dollars for the weapons.

Can get them cheaper but not by much, I've seen 12-15k.

There are almost no tragedies with Class III or fully auto weapons. They are rare and the people that own them don't tend to go troppo. The biggest killer of anyone in the US is the semi-auto handgun. Long guns account for a small percentage of the murders.

**Stavroforos** · January 14, 2014, 02:29 PM

I swear, for all the faked sympathy and concern, it seems that those who define themselves as being anti-gun love it when kids and innocent people get shot. Let some stories cool down, your posts make you sound like you like it when people die just so you can tell everyone else "I told you so!"

As far as the story is concerned, it's far too recent for the rest of the world to have made up their minds as fast as you did.

**Holger Danske** · January 14, 2014, 02:35 PM

Who cares any more, really? Nothing ever changes, not even a massacre of a kindergarten (oh God, think of the Children!!!11) is enough to make America re-evaluate it's gun-fetish, and while gun-violence happens everywhere, no developed country comes even close to that of the US. Let's just close it with the remark that the US deserves all the tragedy that comes with the fanatical interpreation of a horribly outdated amendment and it's unwillingness to change.

**frozenprince** · January 14, 2014, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Holger Danske

Who cares any more, really? Nothing ever changes, not even a massacre of a kindergarten (oh God, think of the Children!!!11) is enough to make America re-evaluate it's gun-fetish, and while gun-violence happens everywhere, no developed country comes even close to that of the US. Let's just close it with the remark that the US deserves all the tragedy that comes with the fanatical interpreation of a horribly outdated amendment and it's unwillingness to change.

I hate these threads, I really do, because it gives people a pulpit to make posts like these that are nothing more than shouting and rambling without even waiting for the bodies too cool and things to be given evidence.

School shootings account for less than a fraction of a percent of violent homicide in the US, yet every time there is one it's another "GUNS ARE EVIL!" thread that goes nowhere for 200 pages.

How about we wait for the investigation and not turn this into a political pulpit for the 1 millionth time.

**MathiasOfAthens** · January 14, 2014, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by frozenprince

I hate these threads, I really do, because it gives people a pulpit to make posts like these that are nothing more than shouting and rambling without even waiting for the bodies too cool and things to be given evidence.

School shootings account for less than a fraction of a percent of violent homicide in the US, yet every time there is one it's another "GUNS ARE EVIL!" thread that goes nowhere for 200 pages.

How about we wait for the investigation and not turn this into a political pulpit for the 1 millionth time.

Dude you have to admit that there is at least one school shooting a month now.

**Vanoi** · January 14, 2014, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Holger Danske

Who cares any more, really? Nothing ever changes, not even a massacre of a kindergarten (oh God, think of the Children!!!11) is enough to make America re-evaluate it's gun-fetish, and while gun-violence happens everywhere, no developed country comes even close to that of the US. Let's just close it with the remark that the US deserves all the tragedy that comes with the fanatical interpreation of a horribly outdated amendment and it's unwillingness to change.

No developed country has the crime problems the US has. I wonder if Europe would be so safe if it had Mexican drug cartels funneling drugs and violence into the their countries. Or if thye had to deal wiht the gang problems the US has to. I don't think Denmark has former guerrilla fighters from El-Savador running around in their country forming violent gangs.

but hey lets ignore all the factors that go into gun-related crime in America. We just need to ban big bad assault rifles.

**Holger Danske** · January 14, 2014, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Vanoi

I don't think Denmark has former guerrilla fighters from El-Savador running around in their country forming violent gangs.

No we have such lovely things as Hell Angels (courtesy, USA), Bandidos, Satudarah, and all kinds of insane immigrant gangs and pseudo-mafia. Not to mention the crime tourism from Eastern Europe. But yeah, the really violent gangs are only in America...

Anyway, keep your easy-to-get guns, and keep the well deserved violence and misery that comes with it. King George isn't coming to take them back any time soon.

**Earl Dibbles Jr** · January 14, 2014, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Holger Danske

No we have such lovely things as Hell Angels (courtesy, USA), Bandidos, Satudarah, and all kinds of insane immigrant gangs and pseudo-mafia. Not to mention the crime tourism from Eastern Europe. But yeah, the really violent gangs are only in America...

Anyway, keep your easy-to-get guns, and keep the well deserved violence and misery that comes with it. King George isn't coming to take them back any time soon.

Oh my god I'm laughing so hard right now. You honestly think your gangs are as bad as ours? Please, take a look at this list of major gangs we have.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**Vanoi** · January 14, 2014, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Holger Danske

No we have such lovely things as Hell Angels (courtesy, USA), Bandidos, Satudarah, and all kinds of insane immigrant gangs and pseudo-mafia. Not to mention the crime tourism from Eastern Europe. But yeah, the really violent gangs are only in America...

Lol. You have some gang members in your country so you have the same amount of gang violence the US has? Whats the estimated number of gang members in Denmark again? Oh wait i know.

http://www.icenews.is/2013/12/14/den...mbers-in-jail/

According to this source, its 370, with a total of around 1700 gang members in Denmark total. So scary. Now do you want to know how many gang memebrs the US has?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_population

The US currently was estimated in 2007 to have 30,000 gangs comprising of 800,000 active gang members while in 2009 it was estimated to be 900,000 with 144,000 of them being in prison. Btw the city of Chicago in the US alone has over 150,000 gang members.

But hey, keep on telling me how Denmark's gang problem is so comparable to that of America's.

**athanaric** · January 14, 2014, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Vanoi

I don't think Denmark has former guerrilla fighters from El-Savador running around in their country forming violent gangs.

Denmark has big problems with crime and so has the rest of Europe. The hysterical attitude of European governments towards weapons has certainly not helped anyone, and is a relic of the continent's Absolutist and/or Totalitarian past (incidentally, with the exception of the few really democratic countries, especially Switzerland). Marseille has criminal gangs fighting each other with assault rifles and other toys. So much for effective weapon bans. In Europe, only criminals and the state are allowed to possess weapons, and sometimes it's hard to tell who's who.

Originally Posted by MrZanyGaming

Oh my god I'm laughing so hard right now. You honestly think your gangs are as bad as ours? Please, take a look at this list of major gangs we have.

Guys, I really don't know what Holger's point is (everything he cites as an argument actually speaks in favour of American-like gun laws), but let's remember that Denmark is a place the size of New Jersey, with a population of about 5 million, and an insanely high GDP compared to size. You can't compare that to the entirety of the US. There are problems in the major cities like Aarhus and Copenhagen, some of which are drug related and others are worse, and downplaying their importance doesn't do anyone's credibility any favour.

**Captain Jin** · January 14, 2014, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by athanaric

Denmark has big problems with crime and so has the rest of Europe. The hysterical attitude of European governments towards weapons has certainly not helped anyone, and is a relic of the continent's Absolutist and/or Totalitarian past (incidentally, with the exception of the few really democratic countries, especially Switzerland). Marseille has criminal gangs fighting each other with assault rifles and other toys. So much for effective weapon bans. In Europe, only criminals and the state are allowed to possess weapons, and sometimes it's hard to tell who's who.

That's the funny thing. The myth that bans on weapons are keeping guns out of the hands of criminals in Europe. I remember reading some documents when I worked overseas at the American Embassies detailing threats to security and most of them revolved around the ease at which criminals could procure serious firepower and that fundamentalists or terrorists might somehow utilize these sources in order to get their hands on some goods in order to carry out a Mumbai style attack in some European city. Incidentally one of the reports I read in Denmark haha. But seriously, there are so many weapons flowing in from former Soviet states and the former Yugoslavia, getting routed through Brussels and onto more local markets all over western Europe and the UK. It's a sort of ignorance is bliss sort of thing, however, for many. I do think that American police are a bit too militarized in many areas and in other instances are of the mind of shoot first and asks questions later, which is problematic and incorrect for a policing force. But on the slip side you have many agencies in Europe that are the polar opposite, under equipped and un-prepared for a situation that may arise.

**Visna** · January 14, 2014, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Jin

That's the funny thing. The myth that bans on weapons are keeping guns out of the hands of criminals in Europe. I remember reading some documents when I worked overseas at the American Embassies detailing threats to security and most of them revolved around the ease at which criminals could procure serious firepower and that fundamentalists or terrorists might somehow utilize these sources in order to get their hands on some goods in order to carry out a Mumbai style attack in some European city. Incidentally one of the reports I read in Denmark haha.

IMO the main problem isn't that there are illegal guns floating around the black market, it's that the dumbass gangmembers who use them can't a) aim, b) tell people apart or c) both. So instead of one gangmember shooting another gangmember, you get issues where they mistake the identity of whoever they're shooting at, or just empty a magazine or two and hope to hit their intended target.
Sometimes I wonder if providing them with some sort of facial recognition device and mandatory shooting lessons wouldn't be a wise investment in the long run.

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