Kelly Thomas cop abuse trial travesty

[Valiant Champion]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF2h6_X6S38

If any of you have been following this over the last several years like I have you will be shocked to know that the two police officers that are responsible for his death are NOT GUILTY!!

You should watch the full Kelly Thomas video incident on liveleak or youtube where it is obvious that the cops went way overboard. They are schoolyard bullies that figured out once they reached adulthood the only way they could keep being a bully was to be a cop.

also notice how the media man begins to blame mentally ill people for societies woes.... The new jews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku42PPzYEqs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6yaeD-E_MY

[Vanoi]

Can we get some better sources than youtube?

[Thorn777]

Can we get some better sources than youtube?

If its not on youtube, it didnt happen.

[priam11]

If its not on youtube, it didnt happen.

Yes because that is exactly what he said.

[Gaidin]

Here's more of a timeline of the event.

It should be noted that one trial is still pending. As for the two found not guilty, well, what can you do? There are only twelve opinions that matter in jury trials, as they say. Or however many jurors were in these juries, locally. Political fallout for local elected officials is quite notably happening and will probably happen through actual elections so I'm not sure why VC is being so paranoid.

[MathiasOfAthens]

It is rare that a police officer is ever found guilty in a death. Apparently the police are in their rights to beat to death a man who is sick in his head. Simpler measures like conflict management are just too time-consuming.

I hope they at least lose their jobs.

The guys face was broken and his thorax was smashed in making it impossible for him to breath on his own. ing stupid cops with batons.

The wikipedia page Gaiden posted shows what kelly looked like after the beating. Anyone willing to look would agree excessive ING force was used. Who the beats a man in the face.

[Gaidin]

Last I checked, the police done lost their jobs. Even if the Department hid it under some clerical reason to, I guess, avoid the officers fighting back, they're gone from the department. The question now is how good a lawyer the last one gets for his trial, and what the fallout continues to be for the next round of elections.

[Condottiere 40K]

Either the prosecution goofed, or they couldn't scrape up enough evidence for a conviction.

[Col. Tartleton]

This guy in the video is a , but he shouldn't be treated like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKzxvH6Czsg

That's like the next town over from where I'm from.

[Simon Cashmere]

Cops are not social workers, they are there to render the threat ineffective. People who are nuts, keep going. What are cops trained to do if people keep going? Apply more force. Eventually if you are nuts enough, and keep resisting after being numerously tased, pepper sprayed and hit with nightsticks - you will die. What choices do the cops have? What I would be wanting to see was - whether he was ever under control and passive, and THEN was hit anyway, that would be unlawful. However if he kept struggling and trying to get away, yeah he's going to keep getting hit. A normal person will stop - a schizophrenic may keep resisting until the force stops their heart. Was this an unlawful killing? I don't know - they were acquitted. But I'd want to know whether he died as a result of continuing to resist, or whether he was struck, tased or maced while he was passive. If it was all done while he was struggling against police and trying to get away, then, that is very sad he died - but the police must use force to detain someone who is resisting, and if the person keeps resisting, they may die. The police cannot be faulted for applying force to a person who kept resisting for long enough until it eventually killed them.

[Valiant Champion]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...#axzz2qUPda9Em

Anyways I wonder why this wasn't tried in Federal court to begin with.

Ha ha at second post above. That's right with six officers on top of you and you crying for your daddy you are so incredibly strong that they have to beat you to near death.

He was completely subdued yet they beat him, tasered him and pistol whipped him and left a pool of blood. Policemen have no more authority to do that than a regular citizen.

A cop cannot just kill someone for resisting. The cop must believe that he or someone else is about to die before he can kill them. Same as for any citizen.

[The spartan]

The United States seems rather strange when it comes to cases to police brutality. Public response to stories of police brutality is often quick and angry, US is government-suspicious enough to jump on stories of the government abusing their power, but it seems very rare that the officers in question receive any legal ramification for their actions. Is this because the public is overreacting or because the legal system is "protecting their own".

[MathiasOfAthens]

The public or the juries often treat police officers with the benefit of the doubt. That they were just doing their jobs. That they are the protectors of society. Etc. Cops can do no evil.

They get a lot of respect in the US even though a lot of them are s and bullies. Not all though.

[Gaidin]

What VC doesn't get is that it's actually really damn hard to restrain a person that doesn't want to be restrained.

The other half of the equation we're seeing from this case is that if local law can't put the officers down, the town is functionally going after the lawmakers now. What policy allows them to act like this? Go after the ones that make the policy in the first place and put someone in office that will make it damn near impossible for a 6 on 1 resulting in a bloody pulp without a guilty verdict coming out of it. Sure, that means if you get someone with his mental condition and he resists, it may now take those six officers an hour to restrain him instead of a half hour and blood, but oh well. It's what they should've done in the first place.

[Border Patrol]

Jesus, this is right next to my hometown. Cops around there are absolutely notorious for their militant attitude, despite there being very little in the way of actual violent crime.

[Valiant Champion]

I have seen people win fights against cops trying to restrain them and actually not get in that much trouble. Its when you get subdued that you pay dearly. I know of a guy being singled out by a state trooper once and rolled the trooper over the hood of his cop car. The man never even went to jail. Sometimes if the cop knows he oversteps his boundaries he backs off.

[Gaidin]

I have seen people win fights against cops trying to restrain them and actually not get in that much trouble. Its when you get subdued that you pay dearly. I know of a guy being singled out by a state trooper once and rolled the trooper over the hood of his cop car. The man never even went to jail. Sometimes if the cop knows he oversteps his boundaries he backs off.

What you're describing here is the suspect escalating the situation. What you posted in the OP is the police escalating the situation. Well, you attempted to post it in the OP. It took me posting the timeline to get any real information on the incident into the thread. Do us all a favor and don't equate the two while trying to make yourself sound like you know what you're talking about.

[s.rwitt]

ok that's a lie

[Valiant Champion]

Of course it can be equated. If anything you are predictable Gaiden. Always trying to wade into a thread and criticize the OP. It never fails.

If it were me I would have just claimed my fifth amendment right and not even have talked back to them. He had no obligation to tell them anything. They were looking for a fight and there was nothing he could have done to get out of it but either stay quiet or fight back. He did neither.

I kind of think Claude Dallas did it right when those fish and wildlife officers attempted to railroad him. He fought back. He might have went to prison for a long time but at least he survived. They had it in for him and he knew it.

[s.rwitt]

Claude Dallas killed two people because they were enforcing hunting regulations. Wtf are you even talking about right now?