[Preview] The Kingdom of Aragón and Navarre

[Resurrection]

It is ok to discuss anything in the preview in whatever way you wish as long as you do not violate the rules of this site. However if you want to help us, we need the facts in proper context. The isolated facts are useless to us because we need to capture essentially dynamic and very long period in very static and limited modification of a game. That means aggregating information and states of everything so that it is the best possible representation of the given thing, place or character. For example the names of factions cannot change during the game and if the name of the faction changed some 50 years into the game IRL it would not be very representative to use it for the entire period. Similarly if the language was widespread in given region in 1080 but was replaced by 1150s but another language then the names of towns and characters would better be represented by the language that was dominant the longest and not the language that quickly faded after the game start. However to make such calls we need the context. How something was in 1080 is imporant but equally important is how it developed from then on in order to decide how to best represent it.

Hopefully this clarifies few things and does not come across as too patronizing.

Cheers and thanks for the interest!

[paedair]

nice to read some words from you after so long time. velmi potěšující

[Ansark]

No, the most representative language of Kingdom of Navarre is bask. In fact, the last Queen of Navarre (north navarre, south had been conquered by spanish monarchy in 1512) Joana III. Albret (1528-1572) supported the translation of the bible to bask language, which was still the most spoken language in Navarre kingdom althoug the official language was the latin. So, the capital would be named Pompaelo in latin in official documents and Iruñea by bask peope. Despite that, all other places (cities, towns, valleys...) would have bask names (today, a lot of places have still bask names althoug people who lives there doesn't speak bask).

If you want to use the most durable banners, the best banner for Aragon Kingdom is the one whit yellow and red stripes, which has been used since the XII century and it is still used by all the autonomous communities of spain which were part of the kingdom). It has also been used as Kiingdom of Aragon banner in the Stainless Steel mod.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...Aragon-Update2

[Iriasthor]

I am pretty sure Ansark didn't want to offend anyone with that 'video'. I have to congrat you guys for the investigation you have been making about the Navarrese territories, which has not usually appeared in the medieval games. That being said, I think some people (natives, mostly) may be enthusiasted on helping you documenting and finding facts about the era, including myself.

Keep up the good work!

[stevietheconquer]

great previeuw!
are there some pictures of the units from this faction?

[kiskompi]

Yes, there will be some, but the unit roster and models are not fully in-game yet. We are working on it. Due to the new development schedule an early alpha with an almost complete Aragón e Navarr will be playable sooner than anticipated, but there are several things to do until that version.

[Werety]

Pretty cool preview !

[fightermedic]

glad to see you are still alive
one look at the map and i know why i'm still waiting for this mod

[Larkin]

So cool to see you're still going. Can't wait for the Open Beta.

[hrolphi]

Hi DotS team
Everything about this mod is awesomely interesting and clever I must say! I have the greatest respect for you buds!
I can't quite imagine how you'll be able to pull it off. All of those features! and then balancing and so on!
A LOT of crap is produced in the game industry. Making a complex supermod is a testament to everything that's good about games! Hopefully in the future all games are made with love and care
DotS is so beautiful man!
Good wind!
Hello to the team from 2 fans from Roskilde, Kongeriget Danmark!!

[Basil 11]

Excellent preview ! Thanks so much for hanging in there and releasing something so we know how the project is progressing !
As a long-term fan of the mod I'm really glad to see this
Keep up the good work team !

[Stath's]

excellent work!! thank you

[Iriasthor]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Galician is a Latin language, not a Celtic one, and it is mutually intelligeable with Portuguese. It is for this reason that there is debate amongst linguists as to whether or not Galician and Portuguese should be considered as seperate languages or dialects / branches of the same one. The same goes for Valencian and Catalan (as well as the dialects of the Balaeric Islands), although these two are even more similar and are (fairly unanimously amongst linguists) considered part of the same language, Catalan. Hope that's useful
I'd like to point out that I am neither Galician, Portuguese, Catalan, Valencian or Spanish, but I study European linguistics and languages and have read quite a lot of stuff on these subjects, and have friends from a lot of different regions of Spain, including Valencia.
PS : I do not at all intend to inflame any ethnic / nationalist tensions, just trying to clarify some stuff

Thanks for that post, Basil 11. There is actually a big controversy when talking about languages in the iberian peninsula. Often, linguistic matters are mixed with political ideologies, which ends on discussions with no possible mutual agreement. I don't know how the DotS team is going to handle this concept, but in my personal opinion languages such as galician and portuguese, and catalan and valencian should stay in the same linguistical or cultural package, respectively.

As to this affirmation, despite not being an expert on the Iberian history, I think there wasn't any type of national or identity differences between those locations, so I don't see the necessity of spliting this cultures or languages based on the modern political situation.

Again, as Basil said, I do not pretend offending anyone's identity or ideologies with these lines.

[Pyres Δt Varanasi]

Looks really great .

[Stívarðr Reynitré]

Dead.

[b257]

Dead.

How is it Dead, they've been updating us for the past few weeks, this post was made on the 13th of this month.

[Landil]

Dead.

Why are you claiming this nonsense without at least some form of argumentation? In any case, it is an unfounded statement and a form of off-topic posting, so consider this a warning.

[Kilgore Trout]

With the great disappointment that is Rome II to so many of us here at TWC, this mod will certainly become so popular as to hopefully, in some small way, reward all of your hard effort with voluminous praise and thanks from your so many fans! Praise and Thanks!

[GeneralAlzheimer]

I always knew you guys wouldn't stop. I've been around since c. 2008, patiently waiting. I was very inspired by Europa Barbarorum for Rome and always considered DotS to be the EB for M2TW in terms of making the best out of the engine. As a historian, I'm amazed by the team's dedication to detail and correctness, and by its expertise on everything it covers. You should be able to use this mod as your habilitation work.