Dismounted or to dismount ?

[Winkelried]

We already know that we will be able to get dismounted knights and other dismounted units.

But will we be able to dismount our units before a battle ?

Screenshots removed due to legality problem

If you look at those screenshots, the answer is NO ! They aren't produced in the same buildings. We wont be able to dismount units. That's very sad. MTWII has no real new features (all borrowed form MTW) and they forgot the best MTW feature. I am disapointed and almost angry. I am sure they promise we will be able to dismount.

Sorry if that's same aggressive but I am shocked. English isn't my first language.

[CIaagent11]

Thats also what I thought after seeing those screenshots.
Those people thought otherwise:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=63690

Could you train dismounted ones in medieval 1?
I mean, could you build the mounted and dismounted versions,
like we see on the screenshots?

[Hodor]

Back in Medieval 1, you could dismount your cavalry in the unit placement phase before a battle.
There was no way to build them in their dismounted state.

[chgo]

the dismounted units in medieval 1 were normal infantry units you could train, they weren't called dismounted, but in this game dismounted units are also called dismounted and you can't get them otherways.

[CIaagent11]

Well then Im pretty shure they changed the dismount-before-battle system
with the build-mounted-or-dismounted system.

Must have technical reasons, since a lot of people will hate it.
Personally Im fine with the new system.
What do you think about that?

[mac89]

Listen to yourselves! It would be lame nor with any strategic element attached if you are supposed to build them mounted or unmounted, therefor the Dismount option before a battle sounds obvious.

[snuff]

That kinda sucks, although It could still change.

[Kor Khan]

Have I got this wrong or can't both be possible? Surely you could be able to train foot knights in a castle, probably at a lower recruitment price and upkeep than mounted knights. Of course, you wouldn't be able to mount them in battle.
Alternatively, as well as the first option, you could be able to train them as mounted knights, then dismount them when the battlefield called for it. This would allow for more flexibility and quicker movement on the campaign map, but would cost more.

Now I don't know how it is, but this option is certainly not impossible. IIRC, in MTW 1 you couldn't train foot knights, but sometimes they appeared as mercenaries or rebels on the campaign map. Generally, however, they came about by dismounting standard knights.
I don't see any reason why you couldn't both train foot knights or dismount normal ones in M2TW.

P.S. I couldn't follow the link, so I may be mistaken.

[chgo]

Why would you call any troop dismounted if it never been on horses?
I mean then you could call any infantry unit "dismounted" or you could call any infantry unit "without clown noses" or anything else.
This just don't makes sense.
For me it is obvious that you'll be able to recruit them mounted and in pre-battle mode you'll be able to choose whether you want to send them mounted or dismounted into battle.

[Hodor]

Why would you call any troop dismounted if it never been on horses?
I mean then you could call any infantry unit "dismounted" or you could call any infantry unit "without clown noses" or anything else.
This just don't makes sense.
For me it is obvious that you'll be able to recruit them mounted and in pre-battle mode you'll be able to choose whether you want to send them mounted or dismounted into battle.

Knights usually come mounted, with their horse also being a symbol of their status (in French and German, the words "Chevalier" and "Ritter" come from "horse" and "rider" respectively).

When they hear the word "knight", most people picture a guy on horseback, so it makes sense to emphasize a dismounted knight's horseless state.

[chewietobbacca]

It's very possible that one can train both dismounted and mounted units - and as illustrated by the recruitment and upkeep costs, the dismounted knights are cheaper by a lot in costs. Perhaps the mounted units are given the option to dismount before battle while dismounted knights cannot mount back up. MTW1 did see dismounted knights in mercenary and rebel boxes...

[CIaagent11]

It's very possible that one can train both dismounted and mounted units - and as illustrated by the recruitment and upkeep costs, the dismounted knights are cheaper by a lot in costs. Perhaps the mounted units are given the option to dismount before battle while dismounted knights cannot mount back up. MTW1 did see dismounted knights in mercenary and rebel boxes...

You could be able to mount the dismounted for some cost.
After some horse could be found anywhere.

So you buy the cheaper dismounted and can mount them if needed.
And you can build the mounted and dismount them if you need infantry, or want to save money.
I couldnt think how else this could make sense.

But its more likely that there is no pre-battle dismounting.

[Aurelius Maximus]

I think its better that you can train unmounted knights because if you want heavy infantry but not the mounted knights you can save a lot of money just training the dismounted ones and that give the game more options and more options are always better.
so who cares if you get to dismount them before battle or not so long as you can just train them mounted or dismounted.

[the_mango55]

You could be able to mount the dismounted for some cost.
After some horse could be found anywhere.

So you buy the cheaper dismounted and can mount them if needed.
And you can build the mounted and dismount them if you need infantry, or want to save money.
I couldnt think how else this could make sense.

But its more likely that there is no pre-battle dismounting.

You can find a trained war charger with expensive horse barding just lying around anywhere?

Knights don't ride into battle on plow horses you know, good chargers and horse armor are extremely expensive. This is from the description of the English Armored Swordsman from Totalwar.com:

Hailing from all parts of England, the only thing stopping these minor gentry from becoming full-blown knights is the lack of funds to purchase the highly expensive charger needed as a mount.

It is very reasonable to be able to train dismounted knights for significantly cheaper than mounted ones.

Why would you call any troop dismounted if it never been on horses?

Wow, that's pretty picky. Perhaps they should be called "unmounted"

[Lord Tomyris]

It's very possible that one can train both dismounted and mounted units - and as illustrated by the recruitment and upkeep costs, the dismounted knights are cheaper by a lot in costs. Perhaps the mounted units are given the option to dismount before battle while dismounted knights cannot mount back up. MTW1 did see dismounted knights in mercenary and rebel boxes...

I hope this is the case!

[SnArF|D]

I think it would be pretty sweet to be able to dismount them during battle.

[chgo]

ok CIaagent11 was right, you can recruit dismounted units, like dismounted english knights (it's on a pic on the org).
Well, good to know

[mac89]

ok CIaagent11 was right, you can recruit dismounted units, like dismounted english knights (it's on a pic on the org).
Well, good to know

Thats stupid IMO, please gives us an official source.

[Mikelus Trento]

That's very sad. MTWII has no real new features (all borrowed form MTW)

1. merchants
2. hurled cows
3. Aztecs
4. Scotland
5. archer spikes

etc, etc, etc

[snuff]

Theres a video on Youtube that is about 7 minutes and very bad quality, but at the end about 6mins it shows the huge cannon firing and hitting a group of knights. It then appear somewhat that a group of them get back up, but it is kinda hard to tell so I am not sure so someone else should check it out and give me their thoughts.