H: TW - Quick Questions & Answers Thread

[Teknokraatti]

You can find the log files from the M2TW main directory under the folder named "logs". Well, if you are trying to get Link mounted, things will be a little more complicated, as Link currently is of infantry class. However, Eothese created a tutorial about that, which you can find here in TWCenter under the M2TW mod workshop. Simply put you must either create a new model or just follow Eothese's tutorial, as your current method does not work. The trait and ancillary-editing may also have had an effect if there is incorrect reference or spelling mistakes.

[starwars90001]

I think you misunderstood when I said mount, in the descr_unit flie all single unit like ganon, veran, and link have this thing called mount where officer is supposed to be. I thought if I change the mount for link to saria, I believe it would help change the model for the unit. sorry if this is confusing, this confuses me too. if I got that wrong and what you said at first was right then please correct.

[Teknokraatti]

You are indeed wrong, starwars90001. Many of the important character models are represented by using the mount option, because they are actually elephants and their riders are hidden. Have you checked Zelda, any of them? You would see that the Zeldas are joined to the unit as officers (An exact line: officer Princess_Zelda_I). I could not recognize the problem earlier because your analysis of the situation was lacking essential information.

As Link and Saria can't be found from the mount file (And imagine for a moment how comic that would seem. A whole unit of hylian knights riding literally on top of Link's shoulders, should someone do the job for enabling that), your method does not work. Try making Link an officer instead, that should do the job. Of course the game crashes, because there isn't any info of a Link mount available.

[RodriguesSting]

I played for several turns as Wizzrobe and didn't received a single mission yet. Why?

PS: I will move the content of my Wizzrobe Conversion doesn't work thread here in case someone decides to delete it.

[Teknokraatti]

The missions are currently disabled, as trait and ancillary development is too. They made the game more unstable than it is (There is still some more or less mysterious problems that need fixing), if I have understood right, and thus are not used for now.

And for the Wizzrobe conversion, it is not present in HTW 3.5.1, but I'm happy to tell you that it is working in beta-testers version and most probably will be in the next release, which should be relatively soon. UndyingNephalim is in habit of releasing a version 2 times a year at summer and winter.

[RodriguesSting]

Thanks for the answer and the good news about the Wizzrobe.

Even though conversion was supposed to be their thing, they actually excel at battle thanks to their mages, even at siege, with the Aquamancers "mortar" projectile. So yeah, they are good with brute force too. But might go for a more balanced faction for now.

Edit: New question: Is the Sheikah's Cadre shadow instance fully functional yet? I don't seem to give Hyrule the cities I conquer, and the only unit that spawn for me is Sheikah Spies.

Edit 2: Question already answered in the bug thread.

[starwars90001]

hey, I tire moving one unit to another factions, it works but the skin of the model doesn't show up. just a white version, can someone help me. also how do you change units classes, I'm trying to change zelda the first into a siege unit like the goron rams.

[RodriguesSting]

I have a question: are there male warriors among the Sheikah?

Surely there are male Sheikah because Agahnim, and he is not an exception. But most models are clearly female, and I don't remember seeing any variation. The only one that I have some doubt is the Blood Mage, and that's just because I don't see the shape of breasts or a corset (by the way, mod is big on those, am I right?).

This is kinda a relevant question because if the males are all civilian, they probably didn't joined the Interlopers, and (possibly) weren't banned to Twilight. Fairies are all female, Gerudo are all female, and Sheikah being mostly female, the society couldn't possibly survive so many generations as it did.

[Jakeford]

I have a question: are there male warriors among the Sheikah?

Surely there are male Sheikah because Agahnim, and he is not an exception. But most models are clearly male, and I don't remember seeing any variation. The only one that I have some doubt is the Blood Mage, and that's just because I don't see the shape of breasts or a corset (by the way, mod is big on those, am I right?).

This is kinda a relevant question because if the males are all civilian, they probably didn't joined the Interlopers, and (possibly) weren't banned to Twilight. Fairies are all female, Gerudo are all female, and Sheikah being mostly female, the society couldn't possibly survive so many generations as it did.

The Shiekah warriors are a mix of male and female, it is hard to tell weather a Shiekah is male or female.
Yes Undyingnephalim is hopelessly obsessed with corsets and went way overboard on them. Most women can hardly wear them let alone fight with them on in battles. Corsets should have just been a fashion piece for a few hero characters.

[Aleatorio]

Well, I think corsets do fit ok for sheika. If I recall correctly they are supposed to push their limits and manipulate their body to achieve great flexibility and such.

And yes, as Jakeford said they are both male and female. That said, almost all in-game models of the units look clearly female.

But then again, the present sheika of the mod and the sheika that were banned have quite some time between then (I don´t remember how long).

Maybe the sheika population has changed, in fact, if we speculate that most males were banished with the interlopers, it would make sense that the sheika ended being mostly female, maybe even to the point where they need to prevent most males for put thenselves in darger which would explain why we don´t see male sheika assasins.

[Jakeford]

But then again, the present sheika of the mod and the sheika that were banned have quite some time between then (I don´t remember how long).

Maybe the sheika population has changed, in fact, if we speculate that most males were banished with the interlopers, it would make sense that the sheika ended being mostly female, maybe even to the point where they need to prevent most males for put thenselves in darger which would explain why we don´t see male sheika assasins.

That doesn't make sense....

[Aleatorio]

What part of it and why so?
BTW english is not my mother tonge, maybe I utherly failed trying to say something and I´m not aware of it or maybe I don´t know enough about the lore.

And Its worth pointing oout that even if it does make sense if just personal speculation.

[Jakeford]

What part of it and why so?
BTW english is not my mother tonge, maybe I utherly failed trying to say something and I´m not aware of it or maybe I don´t know enough about the lore.

And Its worth pointing oout that even if it does make sense if just personal speculation.

They still had tons of Sheikah who weren't banished. They had plenty of people to continue on their heritage. Saying they were low on men doesn't really make sense.

[RodriguesSting]

They still had tons of Sheikah who weren't banished. They had plenty of people to continue on their heritage. Saying they were low on men doesn't really make sense.

And we must remember that the time pass differently in Twilight Realm and Hyrule. While for the banned they spent thousand years in the there, in Hyrule, it was little more than a generation since the treason. The male population could't get so possibly low without the Gerudo curse.

Anyways, the only actual Sheikah unit that might not be female are the Blood Mages, and I find this weird. The lore never mentions there are no male Sheikah (even though all the ones we see in the games are female), but I see no reason for that here besides homage.

And praising Nintendo work on Legend of Zelda lore is CERTAINLY not this guy objective.

[Aleatorio]

I mean low enough to swicth from a male-predominant or equialy sized population to a female predominant population. Still enough to survive but low enough to avoid risking males in the field and let the women take the risky life of an assasin.

It is indeed a vague theory, but it may explain why we see almost no male sheikas but enough males were banished to reproduce with the gerudo and fairy until they became twili, whic was Rodriguesting´s main concern.

[RodriguesSting]

I mean low enough to swicth from a male-predominant or equialy sized population to a female predominant population. Still enough to survive but low enough to avoid risking males in the field and let the women take the risky life of an assasin.

It is indeed a vague theory, but it may explain why we see almost no male sheikas but enough males were banished to reproduce with the gerudo and fairy until they became twili, whic was Rodriguesting´s main concern.

The problem is, guided by the models we see in-game, in Hyrule Historia, the interlopers are still all female. As I said, the only model that gives the benefit of doubt is the Blood Mage, that CAN be male (as I said, just because they lack a corset and breasts).

So, even though your theory is cool... yeah, the problem is still here.

[Aleatorio]

I see, didn´t remember that specific detail of HH. I have nothing add to that then, but I´m pretty sure there is supposed to be male sheika among the interlopers and if models show otherwise.

All I can think of is that even if all or most male sheika are civilians (as you suggested) they still banished a good amount of then for supporting the interlopers, even if they were non-combatants.

[RodriguesSting]

That would make sense. Still, we can do no more than speculate until someone with more knowledge on the mod lore pronounce itself on the matter.

[tedster1995]

Well from my understanding the Sheikah who practice magic are mostly men, what with the wizards and agahnim (my thoughts at least), I imagine that the Sheikah purposely make themselves seem androgynous maybe to confuse the enemy or the bust could be armour under their clothes. With the Twili banishment I imagine that there was a mix of men and women Sheikah, seeing as the bonemold monks claim to be pure blood Sheikah descendants. But as we know the Sheikah are dying out, perhaps this mass banishment was a major contribution to their near-extinction, if not it certainly wouldn't help.

[Jakeford]

Guys this talk of switching between a male and female dominate population doesn't make any sense at all. Men and women are born at the same rate, 50%.

As for the Shiekah being female it annoys the hell out of me that most of them look female, although Undyingnephalim claims that he meant for the Shiekah to look androsexual, because of Impa in OOT. The don't look androsexual though, they just look feminine so he kind of screwed up on that one.