Promised performance increases observed - with Patch 16.1 - updated 05.02.2015

[Pesticide]

did u upgrade your nvidia drivers ? or did they same the same since last few patch releases ?

[alQamar]

No, Pesticide I tested 8.1 and 9 beta and 9 beta hotfix 1 and 9 beta final on the same drivers 332.21. Apart from that no Nvidia driver yet since September influcenced my benchmark results till today (in Rome 2).
To be sure I also reverted from patch 9 beta to 8.1 to be sure it is the patchs fault. Of course I cannot revert from 9 final now, but the situation is quite clear.
I also re-tested the behaviour on 2 other computers I have with the 670 GTX FTW.


Shogon thankfully tested his GTX Titan with a result of 61.6 for patch 8.1 and 58.8 on patch 9 beta (patch 9 final test is pending)

[adampa1006]

This game desperately needs Mantle. Seeing up to a 58% increase in performance for CPU limited scenarios (ex. Most of this game), then wow, CA better include it in its next game engine.

[alQamar]

Perhaps, but what will the ordinary NVIDIA user do? According to Steam the portion of users using an AMD card is about 38% of all steam users, while we cannot know the share on Rome 2.

[RedFox]

Nvidia will probably launch a quick competitive API to equal that of AMDs Mantle. I think it was a really smart move from AMD, considering PS4/Xbox1 consoles use AMD graphics cards.. Who wouldn't want better performance?

[DarrenTotalWar]

nVidia are gonna have a tough 5 years compared to AMD I reckon. They are becomming more and more niche.

[alQamar]

We will see Unfortunately Prussian Prince notified me he was not able to provide a third comparison benchmark, as patch 9 final has been released meanwhile. Perhaps it would be a good idea do make a note on the current patch 9 results on different GPUS so we could compare it to the next patch more easily.
If the next patch does not fix the current situation it could be a good idea to make some or at least one Youtubes about it. It seems they watch them too (I refer to how quickly they fixed PrussianPrince unit exploit on saved armies or zaript's tree LOD problem partly from patch 8.1 to 9.)
Sometimes it seems easier to gather information visually than browsing endless and possibly aged threads.
What do you think about it ? Who could help me there?

[andrew881thebest]

i have a normal hardware (hd 7770 core i5 2300 8 gb ram) and noticed a heavy fps improvement. WHo cares if you lost 2 fps on your 135? are you really upset for that reason? so nerdish lol

[alQamar]

i have a normal hardware (hd 7770 core i5 2300 8 gb ram) and noticed a heavy fps improvement. WHo cares if you lost 2 fps on your 135? are you really upset for that reason? so nerdish lol

That sounds good, do you have comparison screens of the benchmark? And well I am not really complaining about a difference of 2 fps from 135. That infact would be nerdish.

[shogon]

i have a normal hardware (hd 7770 core i5 2300 8 gb ram) and noticed a heavy fps improvement. WHo cares if you lost 2 fps on your 135? are you really upset for that reason? so nerdish lol

Plays at 1600x900, 20 fps acceptable.

So mazing!

Also, read up on this site. http://www.blurbusters.com/references/

There are many sources that show human eyes can indirectly detect visual phenomena running at many hundred Hertz, far beyond a human flicker fusion threshold. This information is included, because knowledge about impulse-driven displays (e.g. CRT’s, scanning backlights) is improved by knowledge about these topics.

Tells you a lot about stuff you probably don't care about regarding your monitor / eyes. Until you've tried anything over 60 Hz refresh rate, with or without Lightboost, it may be hard to visualize.

Just wish I could edit the level of detail for everything, zombie faces everywhere, messed up water, tree's.

[Leonidas II]

WHo cares if you lost 2 fps on your 135?

What 135 FPS are you talking about ? We can hardly get 35 FPS...


On general : I don't know what to do.There is simply no explanation for what's going on.Our Systems are more than enough to play Rome 2 and still we are suffering because of low FPS , 9 patches after release.
It makes me crazy that all the people don't play that game because it has a bad gameplay in their eyes , but I can't even test it properly because of the terrible performance.

[alQamar]

What 135 FPS are you talking about ? We can hardly get 35 FPS...


On general : I don't know what to do.There is simply no explanation for what's going on.Our Systems are more than enough to play Rome 2 and still we are suffering because of low FPS , 9 patches after release.
It makes me crazy that all the people don't play that game because it has a bad gameplay in their eyes , but I can't even test it properly because of the terrible performance.

Do you questions on the procedure? We could talk via Steam if you like.

[andrew881thebest]

What 135 FPS are you talking about ? We can hardly get 35 FPS...


On general : I don't know what to do.There is simply no explanation for what's going on.Our Systems are more than enough to play Rome 2 and still we are suffering because of low FPS , 9 patches after release.
It makes me crazy that all the people don't play that game because it has a bad gameplay in their eyes , but I can't even test it properly because of the terrible performance.

i get more than 20 fps on average on extreme graphics and 40 vs 40 units battle with my old core i5 2300 and my cheap hd7770 payed 70 euroes, so i am sure you rich nerds with your 1000-1500 euro worth pcs can get better than me, but i can play very decently even now, so i do not get why the f.... you still love to complain when there is nothing to complain. The Op showed he can play with more than 60, i mean 60!! fps, and he still complains cause he lost 2 fps??! on my opinion, when you have more than 20 fps game is well playable, unless it is an fps, which is not, and above 30 fps it is very good, you will notice really a difference between 30 or 40 or 50 fps, since human eyes cannot see that.

[Tr0tskY]

i get more than 20 fps on average on extreme graphics and 40 vs 40 units battle with my old core i5 2300 and my cheap hd7770 payed 70 euroes, so i am sure you rich nerds with your 1000-1500 euro worth pcs can get better than me, but i can play very decently even now, so i do not get why the f.... you still love to complain when there is nothing to complain. The Op showed he can play with more than 60, i mean 60!! fps, and he still complains cause he lost 2 fps??! on my opinion, when you have more than 20 fps game is well playable, unless it is an fps, which is not, and above 30 fps it is very good, you will notice really a difference between 30 or 40 or 50 fps, since human eyes cannot see that.

This game feels 100x better when you are playing at a consistent 45fps+, and seriously, honestly, playing this game at about 20fps is totally garbage compared to about 50fps. Everything is much more enjoyable. There is a REAL reason that modern consoles tout maintaining 60fps as a selling point. But then you only get 20fps when you play this game so I guess you have no idea, I guess it's a bit hard to prove it to you...and I doubt you will believe me either so I guess this is a fairly pointless discussion. From our point of view you come in here telling us something we personally experience as not true (that 20fps gives the same experience as, say, 60fps) and without forcibly sitting you down in front of a NASA supercomputer to play these games at super high settings with super high, consistent frame rates, we will never convince you. But if we could, you would change your mind in an instant. Poof. Just like that.

Secondly, it is a common fallacy that human eye cannot notice frame rate differences above 30fps or so. I have no idea why this common myth is propagated. But it's not up to me to prove a fallacy as such, I do not hold the burden of proof. Play any single player FPS twitch shooter at 120fps then play again at 30fps. Tell me which you would prefer after. I know what I would prefer.

I know from studies I have read up online that the human eye can notice differences up to around 70hz. On a more latent, subconcious level, the eye seems to be able to deliver processable information to the brain at a rate of around 100hz in certain circumstances. I guess this is being "in the zone" or however you would call it. There are certainly times when I play Quake 3 Arena or other twitch shooters where I just feel more "present" in the moment of the game, where I react to things quicker and smarter. Anyway, starting to ramble.

[Ransan309]

These are my results with my GTX780ti and I7 970 @ 4.0ghz: Running Extreme settings with AA at 1920 x 1200(Native Resolution) and Patch 9. Interestingly I see only about 1 FPS difference with AA on or off. If this were any kind of real anti-aliasing I would think one should see a significant difference when comparing the two.

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[Leonidas II]

i get more than 20 fps on average on extreme graphics and 40 vs 40 units battle with my old core i5 2300 and my cheap hd7770 payed 70 euroes, so i am sure you rich nerds with your 1000-1500 euro worth pcs can get better than me, but i can play very decently even now, so i do not get why the f.... you still love to complain when there is nothing to complain. The Op showed he can play with more than 60, i mean 60!! fps, and he still complains cause he lost 2 fps??! on my opinion, when you have more than 20 fps game is well playable, unless it is an fps, which is not, and above 30 fps it is very good, you will notice really a difference between 30 or 40 or 50 fps, since human eyes cannot see that.

I think you have absolutely no clue about what you're talking.
People with very , very good computers can't play this game better than people with bad or old computers.That's the problem.

on my opinion, when you have more than 20 fps game is well playable, unless it is an fps, which is not, and above 30 fps it is very good, you will notice really a difference between 30 or 40 or 50 fps, since human eyes cannot see that.

1.)I think you have never played more than one game in your life , did you ?
More than 20 FPS , for example 30 FPS , are still . Game is stuttering and running bad as hell.And you want to tell me that more than 20 FPS is well playable and 30 is even very good ?
Man , you should really set your standards higher , because I don't know how someone can play a game with 20 FPS , that just terrible.
2.) That's absolute trash what you're talking , human eyes can see the all the difference made by higher FPS.
3.) Why do you play this game on extreme when you just have a 70 euro graphics card ?No wonder that you get only 20 FPS.Would you lift 250kg when you're just a normal person ?

[alQamar]

People with very , very good computers can't play this game better than people with bad or old computers.That's the problem.

^^ This

Shogun 2 delivers me an average of 77 fps on same hardware with even more graphical features, yet the models are less complex if we can assume CA's advertising about the complexity of models in Rome 2 is right.
I can just shake heads when reading those "arguments" andrew. Sorry.

[alQamar]

Thanks for your submission Ransan309, hope you can update this when the next patch arrives.

[Zeraphinos]

Hello community ,

after patch 9 got released , i gave rome another chance . But right after the first siege , i faced some sort of bug bcs i dont believe its my hardware fault . On siege with walls , my picture nearly freezes when my man reach with their ladders the wall .
Siege became nearly unplayable for me . Can someone help me how i can fix it . As soon as my men are inside the wall everything is normal .

[stevehoos]

Hello community ,

after patch 9 got released , i gave rome another chance . But right after the first siege , i faced some sort of bug bcs i dont believe its my hardware fault . On siege with walls , my picture nearly freezes when my man reach with their ladders the wall .
Siege became nearly unplayable for me . Can someone help me how i can fix it . As soon as my men are inside the wall everything is normal .

Welcome to the 2%. Did NASA approve your comp specs?