"Yeah, you guys are right, she does deserve to get stoned. So, any volunteers with a clear conscience?"
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Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
"Yeah, you guys are right, she does deserve to get stoned. So, any volunteers with a clear conscience?"
Eats, shoots, and leaves.
Praeses
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
She/he deserves it according to the old testament, but according to the New Testament nobody is qualified to enforce the judgement. The law stays the same, "to the letter", but the punishment can only be enforced by god, while at the same time "Caesar's" law is to be acknowledged also. It is that distinction that gives christianity a massive advantage over it's fellow Abrahamic religions, the (relatively) clear theological reason for separating secular law and religious ethics.Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are so certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubts.
-Betrand Russell
hoi polloi
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
Well kind of missed this one - but good honest work by whatever group is backing the ideal - it is a solid point. Either you allow all regions in a society that has no established one or none on a public space. I know the christian conservatives like to bellow about we a 'christian' nation but funny thing is nation is a made up - up dated version of the Roman Republic (glued on top of the English common law and tradition) - with not any Bible input on the law and stuff. I would like to see statues to Minerva everywhere
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Praeses
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
The options are:
1: Allow the statue and piss off the conservatives.
2: Not allow the statue and receive an un-winnable lawsuit, which will piss off the conservatives.
3: Remove all religious iconography from public property, which will also piss off the conservatives.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are so certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubts.
-Betrand Russell
Primicerius
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
Surely, it will be the most productive of days
For this there are words, but none that abide by the ToS.
Praeses
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
Go to Washington DCI would like to see statues to Minerva everywhere
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
Yes sir. Welcome to America, where the conservatives are pissed off no matter what happens.
Miles
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
More like piss off the liberals, who in turn piss off the conservatives with the lawsuit.
Praeses
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
What makes a constitution advocate a "liberal"? Any decent constitutional lawyer will be neither a conservative or a liberal. It will be the constitution that will piss off the conservatives, not the liberals.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are so certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubts.
-Betrand Russell
Campidoctor
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
In conclusion everyone is pissed off.
Praeses
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
Except the constitutional lawyer: who will likely get a massively profitable and incredibly easy job soon.
(Maybe the whole situation is being engineered by constitutional lawyers looking to make some easy money? lol)
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are so certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubts.
-Betrand Russell
Ducenarius
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
what has become of usa my country to many people walk away from the light the statue does not need to be built ever.
Praeses
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
Indeed. I think too many Americans are coveting their neighbors man servant if you know what I mean.
Praeses
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
Remember this?
Well, it seems the statue has been mostly completed now, in NY by the friends of the local chapter of Satan's coven
Senator
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
Apart from the girl's lower half, that's quite a nice poster.
Civitate
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
What a horrifically ugly statue.
I get the whole meta-point behind it but sheesh, children looking up at an ugly goat faced figure? *gag*
What makes it even more stupid is that "satanists" profess to not believe in "satan" anyway so yeah, I guess it gets a D+ for a trolling attempt but thats about it...
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Comes Limitis
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
Satanists don't believe in an external malicious entity acting upon them. They're about rejecting religions and gods and living in sin and human nature.
A goat headed man is a fine representation of their views. Although I think it would be cooler if the children were also fauns.
Last edited by Col. Tartleton; August 19, 2014 at 06:07 PM.
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Praeses
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
I think for every Satanist I talked to or somebody who's interested in the subject, I heard a different definition.Satanists don't believe in an external malicious entity acting upon them. They're about rejecting religions and gods and living in sin and human nature.
My impression is that most of "satanist" are just angry ex-christians who still want some kind off deep philosophical understanding of life but find atheism and agnosticism to shallow or in the case of the first, to brutal to accept.
Basically I've never met a person affiliated with satanism that isn't all "Hurrrr Durrr those damn Christians!!!"
Last edited by The Despondent Mind; August 19, 2014 at 06:17 PM.
Comes Limitis
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
Well yeah they're retarded by clinging to religious trappings, but whatever, not my problem.
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Comes Limitis
Re: The Satan of Oklahoma
For this particular group, that is probably true. But the group that's funding the statue is pretty fringe as far as Satanists go. They're kinda similar to mainstream Satanists in that they reject theism. But they reject actual religiosity and practice as well, which sets them apart. LaVeyan Satanism is a religion and has particular practices, beliefs, and communities that set them apart from other religions. And for most practitioners and adherents, their belief in the power of personal will and the abstract ideas of self-liberation is genuine.
It's just these guys are kinda dicks about it.
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