Weird. I though US had defeated these people. Well i guess not http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25578396
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Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
Weird. I though US had defeated these people. Well i guess not http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25578396
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Re: Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
Define "defeat"...
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Re: Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
They handed them their ass, then handed over the country to someone who handed them an excuse.
Eats, shoots, and leaves.
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Re: Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
Pretty much.Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K
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Re: Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
Big suprise a made up country that was run under dictatorship for how many years falls apart. The sooner Iraq is partitioned with maybe some long term treaties or supra political structure to mange its oil the better.
It really needs a permanent oil fund and like Alaska a direct year over year pay out to individuals if it wants to avoid the standard third world corruption associated with any basic resource jackpot.
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Re: Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
Yes, divide countries up, the great European solution to everything.
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Re: Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
Iraq was three different states for hundreds of years. Combining them was another great European solution.
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Re: Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
For hundreds of years? Iraq was part of the Ottoman Empire since the 16th Century with about a century of local rule in the 18th Century. In any case, the rearranging of state borders was the standard practice of all European powers so as to exacerbate ethnic tensions within states or between states.
Re: Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
But thats kinda what Saddam did and the USA Chicago Boys wanted Iraq to not do. They shaped the economic policies of Iraq post-war, not Iraq itself.It really needs a permanent oil fund and like Alaska a direct year over year pay out to individuals if it wants to avoid the standard third world corruption associated with any basic resource jackpot.
Always funny to see American naivity when it comes to their own actions, but being completely hawkish and "realists" when it comes to judging other peoples conduct of affairs. In as far as you can call it that.
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Re: Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
Fighting in does not equal overrun. If you'll notice Sunni fighters are split with elements fighting for the government . Despite US troops not being there for two years the violence has not reached 05-06 levels
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Re: Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
This.
The biggest test will be for how the Iraqi government responds. If they respond too weakly, then ISIS could grow, however if they respond too harshly, then they risk alienating more Sunnis. It's probably due to this fear of civilian casualties (and ensuing PR nightmare) a that the ISF doesn't seem to be fully engaging yet. Furthermore any response by the Iraqi government will have to include real political concessions in order to be effective, I'm not quite sure Maliki's quite ready to go that far yet.
Also, anyone know where JRTN is in the middle of all of this? I remember they played a role in Hawija a couple of months back, but they don't seem to be playing any real role in these recent clashes. Course that might just be because they're more active in Northern, rather than Western, Iraq.
Last edited by Lazzeer; January 02, 2014 at 12:09 PM.
As far as I can tell, your entire enterprise is little more than a solitary man with a messy apartment which may or may not contain a chicken.
It's all fun and games until people start getting eaten
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Re: Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
Just going to point out that just because they lost(as so awesomely put by Conottiere 40K, got their ass handed to them) in '05-'06 doesn't mean the Sunni magically disappear off the face of Iraq, and it also doesn't mean this is the exact same group in the exact same numbers, doing the exact same thing, for the exact same reason. As the Sunni are actually a pretty big group of general people. Rebel groups are strange like that. I reserve judgement.
Moving on.
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Re: Sunni rebels overrun Fallujah, take over parts of Ramadi
I'm closing this as the OP doesn't provide enough basis for discussion. Please PM me if you want to improve this.
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