{HS} The Return of the King

[Riverknight]

Drake, are you able to wait until next turn to do the deed?

You could wait a turn, hopefully by then we have an admin

[themzr]

What deed? Im not sure I like the sound of this .......

[DrakeRox]

I'm afraid I'll have to wait, there's a move I want to make that is generally allowed in hotseats but in some it is not, and I dont want people complaining or calling votes.

[DrakeRox]

I'm afraid I'll have to wait, there's a move I want to make that is generally allowed in hotseats but in some it is not, and I dont want people complaining or calling votes.

Here we go !

[Emrys]

I can respect that.

[themzr]

Edit: I will be most happy to admin this hotseat, on my honor as a Gardener I will be EXTREMELY impartial to any faction.

[The Guy With No Imagination]

I'd like this hotseat to continue..

[DrakeRox]

I have PMed 5 people, no one accepted to admin it.

[Riverknight]

Would you all like to do something instead of having an admin then?

We could vote on all issues, send are passwords to Allys (to sub if we are late) and keep on going.

[DrakeRox]

Since you created the hotseat, I wouldn't mind if you choose the rules.

[DrakeRox]

Gardener - http://www.mediafire.com/download/rv...Gardener_3.sav

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

PS : Riverknight told me that the rule will allow to steal generals with more than 35% chance.

[themzr]

whose general was stolen, and its just my luck that as I reinstall my medeival 2 and all my mods I get my turn up so I may need a small extension if I can't play in time.

[themzr]

I would like to call a vote to this move. Since the rules were never posted I would like to make my case as to why a princess should not be allowed to steal a general.

EDIT: This is clearly not a biased reason for me to call a vote as well (URI) as In past votes I have voiced my disdain of princesses such as in the Tag hotseats where i wanted princesses to be killed, but unfortunately they were not allowed to be.

[Riverknight]

If you would like a vote so be it... I will PM everyone and ask.

[themzr]

I don't want to be difficult and seem like a pain in the ass but this is a problem that I feel strongly about. I believe that it is not fair, nor justified to use a princess to steal a general. For starters some factions do not have princesses while others do. The ones that do are given an unfair advantage in that they are given a free get-out-of-jail free card that they can use whenever they want. Even worse is that fact that I can do nothing to prevent that happening. This ruins all strategy in this game and I feel should be disallowed. There are many other rules that prevent players from doing things that are unpreventable by the other player and I feel like this falls into that category. Riverknight if you do PM everyone could you please refer them to read the forum first before they vote?

[DrakeRox]

I don't want to be difficult and seem like a pain in the ass but this is a problem that I feel strongly about. I believe that it is not fair, nor justified to use a princess to steal a general. For starters some factions do not have princesses while others do. The ones that do are given an unfair advantage in that they are given a free get-out-of-jail free card that they can use whenever they want. Even worse is that fact that I can do nothing to prevent that happening. This ruins all strategy in this game and I feel should be disallowed. There are many other rules that prevent players from doing things that are unpreventable by the other player and I feel like this falls into that category. Riverknight if you do PM everyone could you please refer them to read the forum first before they vote?

Riverknight told me I could steal generals if there were more than 35% of sucess rate for it, so it cannot be a free-get-out-of-jail card which you can use whenever you want. In my opinion it is a factor that you should be aware of, you should know which generals are married an which are not, and if the rates for them to be stolen are high enough, and of course you could've prevented that, if you have sieged Lancel with only your infantry and left Randyll Rowan on the fort I wouldn't be able to steal it.

Having a princess gives you some advantages of course, like being able to make marriage alliances, but since I had to steal your general I wont be able to do that anymore, so you're not the one who is losing something here

[themzr]

Marriage alliances are crap and there is no real purpose to them except for lore-fun. And in your case it is a free-get-out-of jail free card you could use whenever you want. It is unpreventable by me or would you rather I moved all my generals explicitly so that they couldn't interact with your princesses mp?

This is a pretty game changing decision so early in the hotseat and I lose the death of your king AND a NIGHT FIGHTER, plus the *what was* guaranteed taking of Silverhill. I claim that princesses are an unfair advantage given to some factions and not others and I feel it is unfair to use them to steal generals when another faction cannot.

[DrakeRox]

Marriage alliances are crap and there is no real purpose to them except for lore-fun. And in your case it is a free-get-out-of jail free card you could use whenever you want. It is unpreventable by me or would you rather I moved all my generals explicitly so that they couldn't interact with your princesses mp?

This is a pretty game changing decision so early in the hotseat and I lose the death of your king AND a NIGHT FIGHTER, plus the *what was* guaranteed taking of Silverhill. I claim that princesses are an unfair advantage given to some factions and not others and I feel it is unfair to use them to steal generals when another faction cannot.

Wow you may have gone too far here.

1. I already told you why it is not unpreventable, it's just a thing you have to becareful. Its like when you play youngbloods submod, you KNOW that Tarly and Tyrion are going to be stealed if you don't be careful and marry them fast.

2. Not all your generals are unmarried and with such high change to be stealed.

3. Randyll Rowan is not Night Fighter.

4. Guaranteed taking of Silverhill? How can you say that when you haven't scouted after it? You think that with your half stack you would be able to safely take that?

The lore of the game may mean nothing for you but I can ensure you that it has a big influence on WTW Hotseats, in many cases it makes a huge difference.

[Korpskog]

I should be allowed and 35% is a good rule in my opinion

[themzr]

1. Your king is a nightfighter and now he is alive when he by all rights should be dead.
2. Is it rediculous to assume that I should have to get every general married so they won't be stolen by some whore.
3. DON'T even get me started on lore. Lorewise Randyl Tarly should not be able to be stolen because he is already married and this is the same with Tyrion. He was extremely devoted to Shae and never so much as touched another woman in a sexual manner.