AQIM base in Timbuktu reveals a different side of Al-Qaeda

[Farnan]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ports/4255089/

This is very familiar to anyone who worked in business or in the US military. It flies in the face of the idea that they are uneducated people hiding in caves living in a 6th Century. They are a well organized, bureaucratic organization.

[War lord]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ports/4255089/

This is very familiar to anyone who worked in business or in the US military. It flies in the face of the idea that they are uneducated people hiding in caves living in a 6th Century. They are a well organized, bureaucratic organization.

You know, you can be well organized and bureaucratic and still have a 6th century mindset.

[Farnan]

You know, you can be well organized and bureaucratic and still have a 6th century mindset.

But they don't. Their systems of beliefs were developed from the 1900s in prisons in Egypt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb

[War lord]

But they don't. Their systems of beliefs were developed from the 1900s in prisons in Egypt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb

That guy was influenced by his arse end of nowhere origins and religious extremism, which has 6th century origins.

[Farnan]

That guy was influenced by his arse end of nowhere origins and religious extremism, which has 6th century origins.

Umm..

Egypt is far from the arse end of nowhere and studied in Cairo and the US. The religious extremism has been evolving since the middle ages.

Do you say an Orthodox Jew is living in the 11th Century BC or a Fundamentalist Christian is living in the 1st Century? No.

Discounting your enemy as primitive is a pathway to self destruction. Understanding your enemy and respecting their capability (though not ideals) leads to victory.

[Col. Tartleton]

Umm..

Egypt is far from the arse end of nowhere and studied in Cairo and the US. The religious extremism has been evolving since the middle ages.

Do you say an Orthodox Jew is living in the 11th Century BC or a Fundamentalist Christian is living in the 1st Century? No.

Discounting your enemy as primitive is a pathway to self destruction. Understanding your enemy and respecting their capability (though not ideals) leads to victory.

What is there to respect in their capability? Anyone can do that. The fact they have has revealed that.

Their talent in terms of vision and charisma is largely unique to individual persons for the most part who our side tends to bomb or shoot for good reason. They draw from a fairly wide pool, obviously some of their people will have skills and talents which are useful to them. However the same has to be said for organized crime or anything like that.

As much of an American wet Dream as it sounds, I'd like to see Al Qaeda take on a Latin American Drug Cartel.

I don't have to make sense of the fact a guy with a finance background or computer programming or law enforcement or whatever got into fundamentalist Islam. They have to make sense of the fact they're a tech savvy Mujaheddin. All I have to do is keep an eye out for suspicious Arabs.

[mongrel]

That guy was influenced by his arse end of nowhere origins and religious extremism, which has 6th century origins.

Clearly we have the anti - Sun Tzu, more fart of orc than Art of War.

The man himself “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

Sums up why we screwed up the Iraq War, or indeed the wider War of Terror perfectly.

As much of an American wet Dream as it sounds, I'd like to see Al Qaeda take on a Latin American Drug Cartel.

.

Will this do?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdk...-taliban_sport

[Kanaric]

You know, you can be well organized and bureaucratic and still have a 6th century mindset.

islam didn't exist then.

[War lord]

Their capability is derived from the extreme difficulty a conventional force, such as the Americans has with effectively countering guerrilla tactics. Such tactics are as old as war itself, Al-Qaeda, and the various other Islamist militia groups are imitators and their ability to attack the US almost totally castrated.

[Simon Cashmere]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ports/4255089/

This is very familiar to anyone who worked in business or in the US military. It flies in the face of the idea that they are uneducated people hiding in caves living in a 6th Century. They are a well organized, bureaucratic organization.

You actually have to be very well educated, at least about islam, to be a part of any of that. And Islam is a lot of reading man, which westerners do not have the patience to do. Who can blame them. They do not want ignorant peasants for their operations.
The people that flew planes into buildings, had to be able to fly big commercial aircraft - learning to fly is *hard* you need to do a lot of learnings for that. Ignorant peasants cant do that.

The networks of operations between not just AQ, but also the lobbyists and those that raise money for AQ and other jihad style groups, is very sophisticated. It's informal nature makes it difficult to detect.

And the sophistication of AQ proper, is well familiar to me. It runs like a company on western business models, you have a rank, title, job description, get pay and allowances, put in expenses.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

The Taliban are the real dumb nutters.Al Qaeda are a little more organized.But still they need to be all water boarded then executed.

[athanaric]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ports/4255089/

This is very familiar to anyone who worked in business or in the US military. It flies in the face of the idea that they are uneducated people hiding in caves living in a 6th Century. They are a well organized, bureaucratic organization.

Yet another similarity between them and the NS regime.

As for the myth of those terrorists being uneducated peasants, IMO you can thank the "progressives"/leftists for that, since they always proclaim that anti-Western terrorism and annihilation ideologies are just the result of poverty, Western colonialism, and lack of "education", thus effectively denying the existence of ideological motives.

[Guy]

I assumed by the title there were pictures of them stroking dogs and riding roller coasters and stuff.

Those guerillas certainly got it together, I guess.

[Simon Cashmere]

As for the myth of those terrorists being uneducated peasants, IMO you can thank the "progressives"/leftists for that, since they always proclaim that anti-Western terrorism and annihilation ideologies are just the result of poverty, Western colonialism, and lack of "education", thus effectively denying the existence of ideological motives.

Because if they just understood the ideological construct of the modern infidel politically correct welfare state, they would of course jettison any wish to adhere to islamic law. Multiculturalism is magic you see - you can take the most ardent misogynist with extremist views from Saudi Arabia, give him a visa to the UK, and from the moment he lands, just like magic pixie dust, he becomes a committed and loyal subject of her majesty. committed to the rule of western law, and puts all of allegiance to sharia behind him. And only racists and neonazis would think otherwise.

That myth that is repeated by leftists about these people are just poor and don't understand what they are doing, is because, what if they DID understand what they are doing? That is too frightening to contemplate, and the left's major philosophy is denial. Denial can be very comforting, but eventually, people are only denying at gunpoint, and they don't believe it anymore.

[Central Asian Qaghan]

Because if they just understood the ideological construct of the modern infidel politically correct welfare state, they would of course jettison any wish to adhere to islamic law. Multiculturalism is magic you see - you can take the most ardent misogynist with extremist views from Saudi Arabia, give him a visa to the UK, and from the moment he lands, just like magic pixie dust, he becomes a committed and loyal subject of her majesty. committed to the rule of western law, and puts all of allegiance to sharia behind him. And only racists and neonazis would think otherwise.

That myth that is repeated by leftists about these people are just poor and don't understand what they are doing, is because, what if they DID understand what they are doing? That is too frightening to contemplate, and the left's major philosophy is denial. Denial can be very comforting, but eventually, people are only denying at gunpoint, and they don't believe it anymore.

So you'd be comfortable with the Australians say working in the middle east earning tax free incomes be judged under the Sharia law since you know they are in Dar-al-Islam.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

They are not allowed to be gay or drink alcohol so they are under Sharia law too.You have to respect the laws of a country you are in or face the penalty.Even barbaric cruel Sharia law.That is why I will never fly over to Qatar to get a sun tan.

[Farnan]

They are not allowed to be gay or drink alcohol so they are under Sharia law too.You have to respect the laws of a country you are in or face the penalty.Even barbaric cruel Sharia law.

In most Islamic countries, besides Saudis, Sharia only applies to Muslims and bans on Alcohol is not heavily enforced. In Saudi Westerners live on compounds exempt from Saudi law.

[conon394]

In most Islamic countries, besides Saudis, Sharia only applies to Muslims and bans on Alcohol is not heavily enforced. In Saudi Westerners live on compounds exempt from Saudi law.

Oh yes just great stay in f-ing compund and all is good or not...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ing-raped.html

[Col. Tartleton]

Yeah, which is a great reason not to travel unless you're a diplomat.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Yeah, which is a great reason not to travel unless you're a diplomat.

Qatar bribed themselves the World Cup of Football.Who the hell would feel safe there.