would i be able to release this?

[lesterthenerd]

ive decided to remake all the 28 unique legion shield skins from RSII for rome 2 starting with legio germanica I by copying the shield emblems and painting over them in photoshop.

i did this over kaziels romans (for now) as i donk know how to make gloss maps or specular maps. i know it looks bad since its my first time doing this . anyways i was wondering if it would be ok to do this or would it still be copying?

if its not ok ill just make all 28 for for personal use until i get decent at using photoshop then make completely new ones.

thanks.

[dvk901]

The picture is gone, so I'm not certain what you've done. However, 're-working' someone else's textures doesn't mean you don't need their permission to do it (and release it for other than personal use, that is).

[lesterthenerd]

alright thanks. how likely are they to give permission though? image url - http://s29.postimg.org/4ubge3tp1/rom...1_51_20_11.jpg

[Pompey]

just right click on the imaga and open it in another window

[Adamat]

Like dvk said, you need to ask the original creator if he's cool with you uploading it. If you don't, it'll be seen as plagarism. Your stuff will be taken off TWC, and you will be banned. Don't make them do it!

[lesterthenerd]

ok what if i buy a drawing tablet and draw them freehand with photoshop to look near identical to the original and make a video as proof? would that be ok?

you know... ive noticed something about the shield textures. one wing in particular used for the Legio IIII Flavia Feli shield :

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was copied from this image : (lol the whole thing was copied except the winged beast)

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so isn't that plagiarism as well since they copied that artist?

i noticed this because i did the exact same thing. i copied the shield wing from that picture onto photoshop and painted over it.

both wings for this shield texture, the one in roma surrectum and mine look nearly identical. i bet as i paint over more rs2 shield textures ill be able to find the exact same wing texture on the internet if i search long enough.

btw i just ordered a cheap 100 dollar drawing tablet.

[dvk901]

ok what if i buy a drawing tablet and draw them freehand with photoshop to look near identical to the original and make a video as proof? would that be ok?

you know... ive noticed something about the shield textures. one wing in particular used for the Legio IIII Flavia Feli shield :

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

was copied from this image : (lol the whole thing was copied except the winged beast)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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so isn't that plagiarism as well since they copied that artist?

i noticed this because i did the exact same thing. i copied the shield wing from that picture onto photoshop and painted over it.

both wings for this shield texture, the one in roma surrectum and mine look nearly identical. i bet as i paint over more rs2 shield textures ill be able to find the exact same wing texture on the internet if i search long enough.

btw i just ordered a cheap 100 dollar drawing tablet.

It may well be that the source of that shield was the second photo...or a crudload of other photos that are all over the internet. But that's not the problem. The problem is getting that image into a usable texture for a model, and having it work right for a unit. There are a lot of people who can't do that, so it involves a talent, an artistry, and the person who made the texture is the artist. Therefore, he\she needs to be asked for permission to use that 'texture' that is used in the game for a unit.

That involves not only the shield, but the helmets, the swords, the sword handles, the pieces of armor and buckles, the emblems and everything ON that texture...because I'll guarantee all of this stuff was taken from museums and archaeological pieces at a great cost of time and detailed research.

So what I'm saying is that 'everything' on every single RS2 texture is the property of this team and the person who created that texture. There are a few (maybe 3 or 4) models and textures we borrowed with permission from EB and others, but they were asked and permission was given to use them.

If you make your textures by replicating pictures and resource material as we did, that's great. You need no permission and can release anything you want. But this kind of statement bothers me: "....i bet as i paint over more rs2 shield textures ill be able to find the exact same wing texture on the internet if i search long enough." All of the shields were designed by Pacco, an Italian architect who also made a number of new buildings for the battlemap cities in RS2. No one has permission to use that material by painting over it and calling it their own. We have always been very free with things we created for RS2...the conditions being, you can use it 'as is', with permission and credit to at least the RS2 team. We have never said you can take anything you want from RS2, alter it as you wish, and then say it's yours.

Not wishing to be a stinker here....I just want to make it clear how this works.

[lesterthenerd]

It may well be that the source of that shield was the second photo...or a crudload of other photos that are all over the internet. But that's not the problem. The problem is getting that image into a usable texture for a model, and having it work right for a unit. There are a lot of people who can't do that, so it involves a talent, an artistry, and the person who made the texture is the artist. Therefore, he\she needs to be asked for permission to use that 'texture' that is used in the game for a unit.

The thing is it’s very easy as I have found to copy something from a picture on the internet and manipulate it and colour it to make it look very similar to the textures of an RSII shield. I imagine it will be even easier with a graphics tablet rather than with a mouse. I’m not saying the person who created the RSII roman shield textures did this but if someone like me who has used PS only a few times can do it relatively easy I just hope the original creator doesn’t believe his textures were copied and pasted.

That involves not only the shield, but the helmets, the swords, the sword handles, the pieces of armor and buckles, the emblems and everything ON that texture...because I'll guarantee all of this stuff was taken from museums and archaeological pieces at a great cost of time and detailed research.
So what I'm saying is that 'everything' on every single RS2 texture is the property of this team and the person who created that texture. There are a few (maybe 3 or 4) models and textures we borrowed with permission from EB and others, but they were asked and permission was given to use them.

I wasn't saying it isn’t but it bothers me why modders feel the need to claim something as their own or ask for credit to be given for something they modified or something which they did not create on their own completely from scratch.

The only reason you should make a mod is for the benefit of the community without thinking about the credit. So you can ask permission and maybe you can be granted permission to use a texture but honestly you shouldn’t have to in a modding community.

When I release this mod I plan to just upload the psd files available to download making them available to anyone who wants to use any texture in that file if they think it’s good enough. I personally couldn’t care if they give me credit for spending hours recoloring a texture pixel by pixel or drawing an emblem from scratch. That’s not why I personally would make a mod. The only reason I want to make a mod is so I can share it with the community .

If you make your textures by replicating pictures and resource material as we did, that's great. You need no permission and can release anything you want. But this kind of statement bothers me: "....i bet as i paint over more rs2 shield textures ill be able to find the exact same wing texture on the internet if i search long enough." All of the shields were designed by Pacco, an Italian architect who also made a number of new buildings for the battlemap cities in RS2. No one has permission to use that material by painting over it and calling it their own. We have always been very free with things we created for RS2...the conditions being, you can use it 'as is', with permission and credit to at least the RS2 team. We have never said you can take anything you want from RS2, alter it as you wish, and then say it's yours.
Not wishing to be a stinker here....

I just want to make it clear how this works.

I already stated my intentions towards the end of my first post. I won’t be surprised though if someone from the RS II teams claim I copied their textures which is why I’ll be making videos of how I made my textures which really is something I shouldn't have to do.

Anyways have a good news years and thanks for the shield designs. I’ll be making the rome 2 shield textures as close as possible to the RS II shield textures.

[the man, the myth, the legend]

You can use the "idea" or use the same image as reference, you just can't use or modify someone elses actual physical, uhmm digital..file? and release without permission. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[SD_Man]

Yah, you can copy the idea just not the physical work. (Not that anyone can tell the difference ... )

[onmy6]

it release em I say they look to damn go to be hidden away now that would be a crime

[Kirila the Kitten]

PM tone.
Afaik he made mosst of the skins from this mod so asking him is a wise choice.
Oh, you are from Australia, it seems New Year has already come to you.

[onmy6]

I drool every time I see those shields, upload em just put acknowledgments where necessary, I got to have those shields

[pacco]

I created roman shield textures for RS2...
And everyone who asked me to use them got my permission... you too.

Maybe, in future I'll put all roman RS2 shields together (more than 100) and make it public in R2TW section.

[onmy6]

Wow Amazing work Pacco your shield collection is stunning, thank you for your time and effort for the many people like me that can have the thrill of enjoying your work when playing RS2