America arrests Indian deputy consul general, India wants to arrest America's gay people

[DarthShizNit]

Well, this is certainly entertaining
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...s-retaliations

It began when India's deputy consul general in New York, Devyani Khobragade, was arrested last week for allegedly submitting a fraudulent visa application for her housekeeper.Khobragade, 39, was accused of paying her domestic help only $3 an hour, despite claiming in visa documents submitted to the State Department that she would pay her $9.50.
Indian officials vowed on Wednesday tobring Khobragade back at "any cost."
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The dispute has led to the Indian government taking retaliatory measures against US diplomats.Earlier this week, concrete barriers in front of the US embassy in New Delhi were removed, exposing the building to potential security breaches.
India has also requested information on the salaries of all Indian staff employed by US embassies and consulates around the country.
It has also blocked import licenses, including those for alcohol, to the embassy.
One Indian diplomat also suggested India could retaliate against the gay partners of US diplomats.
"We also know who all have brought in their gay partners and on what grounds they were given visas though there is a law against it in India," the official was quoted as saying.

Yashwant Sinha, a former BJP foreign minister, suggested Tuesday that India should arrest gay US nationals in India, following a court ruling last week that upheld a ban on gay sex.

Some good ol fashioned diplomatic scuffles. Nothing serious of course, but entertaining at least. Me thinks the Indian government might be trying to distract from problems at home by playing this up, or maybe they just get really really upset over perceived breaches of diplomatic immunity.

So is the U.S. allowed to do this, is strip searching barbaric, will Indians storm the U.S. Embassy while President Obama sips cocktails in Tahiti??? Who knows but the glorious TWC Mudpit.

[Condottiere 40K]

Don't import slave labour into the United States?

[Roma_Victrix]

If she committed a crime by making fraudulent visa claims and abusing her housemaid with dreadfully low pay, then she should be punished accordingly. I'd rather she be returned to India for that penal rebuke, though, given the sanctity of diplomatic immunity.

That said, why in God's name did they strip search her? That bit seemed absolutely unnecessary and outrageous.

In that same token, India's list of strong reactions to this also seems very excessive.

[Gaidin]

If she committed a crime by making fraudulent visa claims and abusing her housemaid with dreadfully low pay, then she should be punished accordingly. I'd rather she be returned to India for that penal rebuke, though, given the sanctity of diplomatic immunity.

She's not an Ambassador. She's only got diplomatic immunity when it pertains to her job. Somehow I doubt fraudulent visa claims for a personal housekeeper pertains to her job.

I don't know the details of her arrest and detainment aside from the fact she was dropping her kid off at school. How that warrants a strip search, which for a woman I'd imagine to be absolutely humiliating, is beyond me.

Standard procedure for anybody entering that facility or one similar to it as an inmate, however temporary. You don't get to bring anything from the outside into it. And people do try.

[mongrel]

That said, why in God's name did they strip search her? That bit seemed absolutely unnecessary and outrageous.

I would say so for fraud. What were they expecting? A pen up her arse?

[Dante Von Hespburg]

This while being outrageous, is a massive cock-up on the part of the US. Indeed while she was committing a crime (if proved true), then surely she should have been sent back to India with the charges?

But beyond that actually strip searching her? What the hell for? That smacks of a purposeful insult to India at large from the US. It literally makes no sense in connection with the charges or the political situation. I can't help but hope some American has been incredibly stupid.

It's interesting that after doing that to her, their surprised by India's reaction, which while i also deplore, i can understand after the treatment of their representative. What is it with nations recently and screwing around with diplomats? It messes things up for everyone in the end.

[Roma_Victrix]

I don't know the details of her arrest and detainment aside from the fact she was dropping her kid off at school. How that warrants a strip search, which for a woman I'd imagine to be absolutely humiliating, is beyond me.

The American justice system and police force out of control, as usual these days I'm afraid. Just the other day I saw a video of a police officer who sicked a dog (I believe it was a rottweiler) on a man in a car who was pinned by a police cruiser and had clearly surrendered with his hands up after a car chase. Then there's all the instances with tazing people with electric shocks.

[Big War Bird]

Then there's all the instances with tazing people with electric shocks.

I remember when the police used to just shoot people. I've never been shot or tazed, but I think Id rather be tazed.

[conon394]

That said, why in God's name did they strip search her? That bit seemed absolutely unnecessary and outrageous.

I wonder if her maid feels the same?

In any case it nice to see the high and mighty get the same crap deal the poor get when arrested and maybe I just have too much working class background but I have a hard mustering sympathy for somebody who needs a maid and then screws them over.

Also you know getting arrested is not supposed to be fun - I'd like a little more detail on what 'strip search' means here. I mean when I got arrested I had to give up all my clothes and where an orange jumper while somebody watched me and pawed through all of my pockets etc. But I would not call it a strip search just standard practice for arrest and detention and not unreasonable since it does aim to make detention more safe - who knows why the other 5 guys in the cell were there but better they only have orange jumpers on.

Was she searched by a women. I mean I can see if they made her do it right out in front of the school we have a problem - but simply made to hand over your items and change into jail duds under the eye of somebody of the same sex - SOP

edit: I should at least it was an educational experience - saying "yes officer" works a lot better than "f-you you arrogant hypocritical lazy pig"

[sabaku_no_gaara]

I wonder if her maid feels the same?

In any case it nice to see the high and mighty get the same crap deal the poor get when arrested and maybe I just have too much working class background but I have a hard mustering sympathy for somebody who needs a maid and then screws them over.

Also you know getting arrested is not supposed to be fun - I'd like a little more detail on what 'strip search' means here. I mean when I got arrested I had to give up all my clothes and where a orange jumper while somebody watched me and pawed through all of my pockets etc. But I would not call a strip search just standard practice for arrest and detention and not unreasonable since it does aim to make detention more safe - who knows why the other 5 guys in the cell were there but better they only have orange jumpers on.

Was she searched by a women. I mean I can see if they made her do it right out in front of the school we have a problem - but simply made to hand over your items and change into jail duds under the eye of somebody of the same sex - SOP

This!

Screw the woman, she makes enough to need a maid, and then she underpays the maid

It's people like this that give their kind (rich people, I'm not talking about race or nationality, I'm using the wealth divider) a bad name and makes us want to go on a rampage with an AK through the rich neighbourhood if we could

[Big War Bird]

Meanwhile the Indian minimum wage is something like $.25 an hour and Americans are more than happy, thankful even, to buy goods produced at that wage.

[conon394]

Meanwhile the Indian minimum wage is something like $.25 an hour and Americans are more than happy, thankful even, to buy goods produced at that wage.

I'm not

[Gaidin]

Do you read posts before you reply mongrel?

[mongrel]

Do you read posts before you reply mongrel?

I am curious as why detention was necessary or wise, given the circumstances. I say again what were they expecting to get from this?

[Gaidin]

I am curious as why detention was necessary or wise, given the circumstances.

Simply because with no special orders any agent is going to follow procedure. It's a huge risk. Ask anybody with a legal education. A break from procedure without orders(preferably written and signed) can lead to strange consequences that can open the agent up to litigation or even prosecution. What you see here, this is on the Department of State or the Country as a diplomatic mess. The agents? They followed procedure. They may be getting a WTF reaction from the chain of command. But litigation? Prosecution? Not so much.

[mongrel]

Simply because with no special orders any agent is going to follow procedure. It's a huge risk. Ask anybody with a legal education. A break from procedure without orders(preferably written and signed) can lead to strange consequences that can open the agent up to litigation or even prosecution. What you see here, this is on the Department of State or the Country as a diplomatic mess. The agents? They followed procedure. They may be getting a WTF reaction from the chain of command. But litigation? Prosecution? Not so much.

It is a Deputy Consul General. I thought that even the less curious agents would consider this matter as high risk, low impact.

[Gaidin]

It is a Deputy Consul General. I thought that even the less curious agents would consider this matter as high risk, low impact.

Doesn't really matter. There's a handling procedure that the Marshals would follow once she was handed off to them unless they were given signed special orders from someone that would've shouldered the consequences should something have gone wrong from doing it differently.

[King_Porus]

An Americans wonder why people hate their government. If this had happened to an American female diplomat in India or the Middle East, you can be damn sure there'd be allegations of women's rights problems and I'm sure old Obama would be stumbling around a press conference about now. And no, strip searching people is not SOP, a constable in my area was recently arrested for strip searching and restraining a female prisoner.

[Gaidin]

An Americans wonder why people hate their government. If this had happened to an American female diplomat in India or the Middle East, you can be damn sure there'd be allegations of women's rights problems and I'm sure old Obama would be stumbling around a press conference about now. And no, strip searching people is not SOP, a constable in my area was recently arrested for strip searching and restraining a female prisoner.

What the paper calls strip searching isn't really strip searching. Get used to the idea of reporters not knowing jack.

[conon394]

What the paper calls strip searching isn't really strip searching. Get used to the idea of reporters not knowing jack.

I agree here I want to know if she was simply asked to change to jail garb by a female officer.