Muslims against crusade

[One_man_warrior]

To make the game more exciting when crusade is called by the pope, all the Muslim Factions should help each other to defend against the crusade.

Unless thats the already the case.

[Tzar]

It's not a case.Muslim factions was never united

[Crusader Invasion]

Aren't there Jihads?

[Ahiga]

Yeah. If a region has signifigant muslim populations or was once in the hands of the muslim faction (I dont think it will count for if you just conquered it. You couldn't jihad after conquering and losing say..normandy), you can jihad.

[Ragss]

A crusade will never cross my border when I'm playing as the Turks, no matter where its heading. On Expert I doubt anyone will help the player out, though.

[CIaagent11]

But are muslims weakening each others? Egypt hasnt really anything else to do?

[GVP]

If you're playing a muslim faction and have a priest with good influence you can call jihads on a former muslim region. When jihad is called all muslim factions make peace and attck that region. I'm not shore how long the peace lasts though.

[chgo]

Let's say i am playing egypt and i want to call out a jihad, can i call one out on any former muslim region or any region i owned some time?

[KaerMorhen]

Let's say i am playing egypt and i want to call out a jihad, can i call one out on any former muslim region or any region i owned some time?

If it was once yours for long time, I suppose you can reconquering it by call for Jihad. Anyways I found crusades more useful because it can be lunch against anybody except for catholic faction. And for me the only muslim faction I like to play are Turks because the of theirs top troop late in the game, Fatimids and Almohads are simply waste of time.

[harm]

wtf is a jihad ?

[Germanicus75]

wtf is a jihad ?

Kind of like an Islamic version of a Crusade, intended to protect Islam against its enemies.

[Ragss]

wtf is a jihad ?

American, I presume?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

[Xiaodun]

American, I presume?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

Of course not, you think theres an American of respectable age that doesn't know what a jihad is in these days, what with Chechens and Palestinians and Hezbolla and what not?

A jihad is an Islamic holy war. Basiclly there is a spiritual greater jihad (which doesnt concern us here) and a lesser jihad (which is usually a war by Islam against a chosen enemy). They are something like Crusades in MTW, however they are more defensive in nature and can only be issued against former Islamic lands (the Crusades can be issued against all non-Catholic factions, and excommunicated Catholic ones)

[Charok]

Of course not, you think theres an American of respectable age that doesn't know what a jihad is in these days, what with Chechens and Palestinians and Hezbolla and what not?

He probably thinks that Americans don't watch BBC World news so we don't really know what's going on in the world.

[Deusvult]

Historically Jihad was offensive, not defensive. Is the game really so politically correct that Jihad is portrayed as being a defensive concept?

[Hansa]

The suucess of Outremer was based on an divide and conquer strategy towards the moslem countries surrounding it, especcially preventing Damascus and Egypt from acting uniformly, when they did, the Franks were in serious troubles. Salahadin himself complained about the non unity among moslems using the fantastic unity of crusading Eruopean nations as examples (fictional of course, France, England and the HRE never cooperated fully). He recieved little support from other Moselms or his view. At times the Crusaders fought together with moslems against other moslems, the ferocious Franks got especcially well off with the ferocious Turks when they fought together, both peoples loving war.

[Tzar]

In MTW you could call for jihad even if you control target region for only one turn and you lost it.

[Lusted]

Its how it was portrayed in MTW, so im assuming its the same in M2TW.

[RZZZA]

Muslims already have Jihad. Jihad in MTW was much, much more effective than a crusade ever was. I hope they balance it a little better this time around.

in MTW, you could only declare jihad after an enemy conquers one of your provinces. you could even declare jihad on fellow muslim factions. This made Jihads more defensive, which may not sound like its more powerful than the offensive based crusades, but trust me it is.

Why else would the almohads almost always take over all of spain? And why else would the egyptians always swallow up the turks, the byzantines and push into eastern europe? Those friggin jihads, combined with a nice income, are very very deadly.

[John I Tzimisces]

Jihads being effective? I've never seen one succeed. Muslim regions had such little zeal that they never got big at all...