Federal Judge Number 1 rules against NSA regarding American Citizens.
Of course, it might have been the second ruling against the NSA if that other group had the patience and went through proper court channels. Idiots.
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Federal Judge Number 1 rules against NSA regarding American Citizens.
Of course, it might have been the second ruling against the NSA if that other group had the patience and went through proper court channels. Idiots.
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To take a comment from that article..
It takes a federal case to say that blatant disregard for the Fourth Amendment is (may be*) illegal?! No wonder we're so screwed.
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By definition of roles Judges can only rule on cases brought before them, and those cases can be appealed to higher courts. Judges don't seek out cases, their purpose is to be neutral. The lawyer's seek out the cases and make the arguments.Originally Posted by sleepyx732
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hoi polloi
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I thought one of the more important things he did was take a slap at the FISA court as more or less not being an impartial or fair substitute for a real court. I can understand why the FISA court was set up but I would rather see be something like all federal judges rotated so that is was not just the same cast of characters hearing the same arguments in DC - and/or perhaps some kind of review by a panel of judges each year of what had been decided. If the NSA can read all our email, game playing and pron viewing I am sure they can set up secure communications so that a random panel of Federal judges can hear a case via web cam
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There are faults with the FISA court, but their appointments aren't really one of them. FISA judges are already Senate approved federal judges before they're brought onto the court, they have a limited term on the court, no judge may be appointed more than once, and no judge can be appointed to both FISA and the Court of Review. The only issue is that only one person appoints to FISA, with no oversight even from the other SCOTUS judges, and the only time you're going to admit that that's a bad thing is if you admit at the same time you're hilariously biased against the Chief Justice of SCOTUS, whoever that happens to be at the time you happen to rant.
Hilariously, FISA appointment rules fulfill exactly what you want, unless you just hate Chief Justice Roberts. Do you hate Chief Justice Roberts?
Last edited by Gaidin; December 16, 2013 at 10:06 PM.
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I dislike his politics.Hilariously, FISA appointment rules fulfill exactly what you want, unless you just hate Chief Justice Roberts. Do you hate Chief Justice Roberts?
Yes and that's my point I would prefer more a random selection and shorter tenure for the FISA. At minimum I would say the Whole SCOTUS and maybe the chairs of the Intelligence Congressional intelligence should vote on the appointments.There are faults with the FISA court, but their appointments aren't really one of them. FISA judges are already Senate approved federal judges before they're brought onto the court, they have a limited term on the court, no judge may be appointed more than once, and no judge can be appointed to both FISA and the Court of Review. The only issue is that only one person appoints to FISA, with no oversight even from the other SCOTUS judges, and the only time you're going to admit that that's a bad thing is if you admit at the same time you're hilariously biased against the Chief Justice of SCOTUS, whoever that happens to be at the time you happen to rant.
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'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
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Your argument sucks. Come up with a better argument against FISA. Like how they decide actual legal interpretations in that court without the adversarial argument instead of just hearing arguments for warrants. It wouldn't matter who chose the judges. You'd get insane interpretations of the law without the adversarial argument. Of course, that's assuming the law is fundamentally acceptable in the first place.
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Might be a delaying tactic, while they sculpt the language to navigate between the shoals of constitutional guarantees and national security.
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Campidoctor
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In all honesty, I have no problem with the NSA spying on me and others to help keep everyone safe. People who disagree with it must have something to hide in my opinion, as it helps to prevent crimes before they happen.
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Everybody with a medical record has something to hide.
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Patricius
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Then all those files from NSA, CIA and FBI shouldn't be secret as well. Good government organizations shouldn't have anything to hide, right?
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Let's leave the fact aside that the commission found no indication that any of the spy programs helped in any meaningful degree in that regard...
The fun bit about creating the clout of the all knowing spy service is that the spy service ceases to have to know anything and it still can ruin anyone's life via smear campaign because everyone thinks they are spied on anyway and the secret service certainly doesn't have to make stuff up. So it gets far easier to make stuff up. That was the most successful anti-opposition campaign of the STASI btw. They didn't have to actually spy on them, they just screwed them over with made up.
And the entire smear campaign bit is not really something foreign to democracies so the argument it only happens in bad regimes does not work either.
I guess if the court rulings and agency reforms only affect US citizens I can only hope for for some international treaties later down the road. Either that or the fragmentation of the internet would be the only acceptable solution. Then the NSA again can do what it is supposed to do by infiltrating the European/Japanes/Asian internet nodes. Lacking that we can obviously do the entire European vassalship thing.
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That's all you were ever going to hope for regarding the NSA. Their actions regarding warrants were only ever with respect to US citizens and legal residents. Believe me, if any theoretical treaty hammers the NSA with respect to other countries, assuming any President lets it, every country signing the treaty is going to find themselves just as handicapped if they don't want to have the NSA doing those certain things to them. The countries that want to try their hands at those techniques? They'll still be fair game as they're not a part of the treaty.
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From their employers and health insurance company.
Single payer should solve one.
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Again a case of you not knowing a damn thing. Your employer never gets to know your medical record, unless you give it to them. Your insurance company may, as the person footing the bill, but now you're starting a debate between what's better between a government agency or a single private company. Which is totally off topic from this thread. Go start another thread if you want to talk about that.
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Employers might find medically profiling a productive use of their HR department, since they could determine which job candidates are more likely to be out sick, or if they delve more deeply, which psychological template is more suited for certain positions.
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Are we talking about them looking at you taking sick leave are we talking about them hacking into your medical record, something which is totally illegal for them to access without your permission? Or in the case of a federal agency if we want to make this side-talk relevant to the thread, without a very hard to get warrant. Get your story straight right now before you answer.
Last edited by Gaidin; December 17, 2013 at 12:27 PM.
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-Neil deGrasse Tyson
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable. Let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
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Basically, you mentioned that everyone with medical records has something to hide.
I pointed out mainly from their health insurance company and their employers.
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You still say 'employers' like they at all have access to the records short of illegal action. Drop them from the conversation. And if you don't want the health insurance company to have access to information on what they're paying for feel free to pay the tax. What you're missing is that someone footing the bill is going to know the record. Whether it's an insurance company or a federal agency(for single payer), take your pick as to which. People seem to have more problem with federal agencies knowing dirty details about them, but they don't want to be consistent about this? Why is that?
Last edited by Gaidin; December 17, 2013 at 12:37 PM.
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With single payer, you don't really need to hide your medical condition from the insurer.
Employers would certainly take into account your potential medical conditions when choosing successful job applicants, or even promotions.
And thus, why you would try to hide such information from people who can effect your financial welfare adversely.
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