I think this is why racism/bigotry still exists in mass

[Earl Dibbles Jr]

So, here we are. 2013. So much progress has been made in anti-racism, women's rights, etc. Right? Nope. People are still extreme bigots/racists despite all these movements. The question is...why?

Many seem to think that the reason there are still these type of people is because they're not educated enough about the topics. I think it's the complete opposite. It seems that the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction in recent years, at least in the United States.

White men were the owners of everything in the U.S. and had all the rights; voting, money, land, power...but that all changed in the mid 1950's when African Americans began to protest for their own rights and desegregation of schools. This could have led to a time where race was irrelevant, but a thing called Affirmative Action came along. This essentially made it so that minorities would get preference into schools over whites. This is racist against whites and also gives many whites who feel that they are failures in life something to blame it on. By doing this, you have prolonged racism even more because whites now feel like they are oppressed and, in turn, come to hate blacks. In jobs, minorities are also favored because the government gives tax reductions to businesses with x% of minority employees. Race should not matter in anything if you want to stop racism.

The view from the media seems to be that women are always the victims in everything and much more sympathy is given to them in legal cases, divorces, etc. This encourages men to become resentful towards women and disrespect them, as they feel that women have an unfair disadvantage over them. This goes for racism as I stated previously.

A common argument against this is that white men still have most of the power in the high up jobs (CEO's, etc.) This is true, but whites only account for 58% of the country's millionaires yet 70% of the country is white. http://thebilzerianreport.com/who-are-the-1-percent/

As you can see from that website only 0.25% of billionaires are black. That is astounding considering that they make up 12% of the population. Why is that? How is that possible when Affirmative Action is implemented to help them get jobs? It's simple, really. Just as Affirmative Action encourages whites to resent minorities, it encourages minorities to not work as hard. This may seem like a racist comment, but that statistic shows exactly that. The minorities think that they aren't as good as whites because they get benefits that whites don't and they develop a degrading attitude towards education as a whole. Many argue that it's because minorities grow up in impoverished households, but white and blacks have around the same average income: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104552.html

There is a difference between whites and other groups below the poverty line, which doesn't make any sense considering Affirmative Action and many other company incentives to hire minorities exist. This plays into the whole "inferior" attitude that is currently prevalent among minorities. They think that these laws/acts are in place because they are inferior. Without these, I feel that humanity as a whole would get closer to equality for everyone because everyone would feel equal and, eventually, the playing field would be equal for everyone.

[Slydessertfox]

I'm pretty sure affirmitive action isn't the reason racism exists. It has a lot of flaws, yes, but it's not the reason racism still exists...Racism still exists in large part because when you have adults now who grew up in households with parents that grew up with segregation and racism being prevalent, that kind of rubs off on people. For example, my mom and step day (55 and 56) still have some racist sentiment, despite shedding most of it, most likely because of the time they grew up in, not because of Affirmative Action.

I don't want to sound cold-hearted and mean or anything, but I think when that generation, where racism is normally the most prevalent--at least among whites, I'm not sure about hispanics and african americans (namely the baby boomers or older) eventually dies, there will be far less racism, at least in America.

[Earl Dibbles Jr]

I'm pretty sure affirmitive action isn't the reason racism exists. It has a lot of flaws, yes, but it's not the reason racism still exists...Racism still exists in large part because when you have adults now who grew up in households with parents that grew up with segregation and racism being prevalent, that kind of rubs off on people. For example, my mom and step day (55 and 56) still have some racist sentiment, despite shedding most of it, most likely because of the time they grew up in, not because of Affirmative Action.

I don't want to sound cold-hearted and mean or anything, but I think when that generation, where racism is normally the most prevalent--at least among whites, I'm not sure about hispanics and african americans (namely the baby boomers or older) eventually dies, there will be far less racism, at least in America.

Not sure racism is going to diminish...I know a lot of people who hate minorities and I live in Massachusetts. I think AA is helping make the current generation more racist, which they will then pass down, etc. etc. You get the point.

[Caelifer_1991]

So, here we are. 2013. So much progress has been made in anti-racism, women's rights, etc. Right? Nope. People are still extreme bigots/racists despite all these movements. The question is...why?

Many seem to think that the reason there are still these type of people is because they're not educated enough about the topics. I think it's the complete opposite. It seems that the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction in recent years, at least in the United States.

White men were the owners of everything in the U.S. and had all the rights; voting, money, land, power...but that all changed in the mid 1950's when African Americans began to protest for their own rights and desegregation of schools. This could have led to a time where race was irrelevant, but a thing called Affirmative Action came along. This essentially made it so that minorities would get preference into schools over whites. This is racist against whites and also gives many whites who feel that they are failures in life something to blame it on. By doing this, you have prolonged racism even more because whites now feel like they are oppressed and, in turn, come to hate blacks. In jobs, minorities are also favored because the government gives tax reductions to businesses with x% of minority employees. Race should not matter in anything if you want to stop racism.

The view from the media seems to be that women are always the victims in everything and much more sympathy is given to them in legal cases, divorces, etc. This encourages men to become resentful towards women and disrespect them, as they feel that women have an unfair disadvantage over them. This goes for racism as I stated previously.

A common argument against this is that white men still have most of the power in the high up jobs (CEO's, etc.) This is true, but whites only account for 58% of the country's millionaires yet 70% of the country is white. http://thebilzerianreport.com/who-are-the-1-percent/

As you can see from that website only 0.25% of billionaires are black. That is astounding considering that they make up 12% of the population. Why is that? How is that possible when Affirmative Action is implemented to help them get jobs? It's simple, really. Just as Affirmative Action encourages whites to resent minorities, it encourages minorities to not work as hard. This may seem like a racist comment, but that statistic shows exactly that. The minorities think that they aren't as good as whites because they get benefits that whites don't and they develop a degrading attitude towards education as a whole. Many argue that it's because minorities grow up in impoverished households, but white and blacks have around the same average income: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104552.html

There is a difference between whites and other groups below the poverty line, which doesn't make any sense considering Affirmative Action and many other company incentives to hire minorities exist. This plays into the whole "inferior" attitude that is currently prevalent among minorities. They think that these laws/acts are in place because they are inferior. Without these, I feel that humanity as a whole would get closer to equality for everyone because everyone would feel equal and, eventually, the playing field would be equal for everyone.

That's funny because it seems like white people had the most extreme case of affirmative action for several centuries without feeling like they were inferior... no I'll stick with the first reasoning for racism continuing to exist, it's because people are idiots.

[mongrel]

That's funny because it seems like white people had the most extreme case of affirmative action for several centuries without feeling like they were inferior... no I'll stick with the first reasoning for racism continuing to exist, it's because people are idiots.

Got it in one. The definitive answer. Affirmative action programmes are not seen in Europe*. yet Europe has seen Nazis, pogroms on sundry minorities, and causal racism despite stringent protections in law.

Where is the current event in this anyway?

The only one I am aware of are all women shortlists for British MPs.

[Slydessertfox]

That's funny because it seems like white people had the most extreme case of affirmative action for several centuries without feeling like they were inferior... no I'll stick with the first reasoning for racism continuing to exist, it's because people are idiots.

Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner!


Also, I haven't been to any mass in a couple years-I was never aware of there being any racism prevalent there. Guess the Catholics around here are pretty tolerant...

[Earl Dibbles Jr]

That's funny because it seems like white people had the most extreme case of affirmative action for several centuries without feeling like they were inferior... no I'll stick with the first reasoning for racism continuing to exist, it's because people are idiots.

They didn't feel inferior because they ruled everything. Whereas now we have minorities in slums/ghettos being told they're inferior and they believe it.

[Yosemite]

That's funny because it seems like white people had the most extreme case of affirmative action for several centuries without feeling like they were inferior... no I'll stick with the first reasoning for racism continuing to exist, it's because people are idiots.

can you give an example where being white allowed you to get a higher consideration to be accepted at a university?

oh wait maybe you're talking about nepotism?

regardless, racism is wrong, who ever may be practicing it (affirmative action is racism itself)

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[Caelifer_1991]

can you give an example where being white allowed you to get a higher consideration to be accepted at a university?

oh wait maybe you're talking about nepotism?

regardless, racism is wrong, who ever may be practicing it (affirmative action is racism itself)

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How about nearly all of American history leading at least up until 1962 when James Meredith for instance had to be physically protected by U.S Marshals when joining the University of Mississippi since it had never previously accepted any black students? Although yes Nepotism is also a significant factor in its own right.

[Gaidin]

West Wing put it best regarding AA. If the current generation can't understand that kind of thing they weren't going to make it through anyway.

[Earl Dibbles Jr]

West Wing put it best regarding AA. If the current generation can't understand that kind of thing they weren't going to make it through anyway.

Well, the argument is "Why should I be paying for what happened before I was born?" This is actually a sound argument, many whites in the U.S. were opposed to slavery (particularly the North) and my entire generation wasn't part of the racist/slave days. Life isn't fair, but this is a bit ridiculous when you begin to think about it. If anything, the old folks should be the ones paying for the racism not the new generations.

[Gaidin]

Well, the argument is "Why should I be paying for what happened before I was born?" This is actually a sound argument, many whites in the U.S. were opposed to slavery (particularly the North) and my entire generation wasn't part of the racist/slave days. Life isn't fair, but this is a bit ridiculous when you begin to think about it. If anything, the old folks should be the ones paying for the racism not the new generations.

That would be a sound argument if policy for AA was to make sure they passed their courses as well as had everything paid for them. But it isn't. Once they're in they can fail their own ass's right out like every other student. And they have to still find money to pay for it, whether by scholarship, loan, or whatever. Too damn bad for you.

[Earl Dibbles Jr]

That would be a sound argument if policy for AA was to make sure they passed their courses as well as had everything paid for them. But it isn't. Once they're in they can fail their own ass's right out like every other student. And they have to still find money to pay for it, whether by scholarship, loan, or whatever. Too damn bad for you.

Good point, but someone who's worked harder and gotten better grades deserves a chance in college/uni over someone who didn't work as hard. Do you want someone working on your car that got straight B's or straight A's? The answer is obvious. I still think that the old folks should be paying for the racism that they took part in instead of our current generation.

[Gaidin]

Good point, but someone who's worked harder and gotten better grades deserves a chance in college/uni over someone who didn't work as hard. Do you want someone working on your car that got straight B's or straight A's? The answer is obvious. I still think that the old folks should be paying for the racism that they took part in instead of our current generation.

Pretend you know what you're talking about please by at least suggesting a profession that requires a college degree. And then we'll talk about whether there's a functional difference between straight B's or straight A's when it comes to engineering(something I have two degrees in) if you really want to go that far once you pick a profession that requires such a degree.

[Arbitrary Crusader]

Do you want someone working on your car that got straight B's or straight A's? The answer is obvious. I

Whichever one that can work my car the best.

Just because one has a higher grade, doesn't mean that one is 100% better than the other.

[mongrel]

Well, the argument is "Why should I be paying for what happened before I was born?" This is actually a sound argument, many whites in the U.S. were opposed to slavery (particularly the North) and my entire generation wasn't part of the racist/slave days. Life isn't fair, but this is a bit ridiculous when you begin to think about it. If anything, the old folks should be the ones paying for the racism not the new generations.

Yet, as I mentioned racism exists in countries which emancipated slaves early on or never had mass slavery. or AA. Racism isn't even a black/white issue, (see TWC's Balkan threads) So the whole premise of your thread is wrong.

[Earl Dibbles Jr]

Yet, as I mentioned racism exists in countries which emancipated slaves early on or never had mass slavery. or AA. Racism isn't even a black/white issue, (see TWC's Balkan threads) So the whole premise of your thread is wrong.

Notice how I talk about minorities in the U.S. (Blacks, hispanics, Native Americans all apply to AA). Racism in other countries has many other factors which I am not at liberty to speak about since I don't live in other countries.

[mongrel]

Notice how I talk about minorities in the U.S. (Blacks, hispanics, Native Americans all apply to AA). Racism in other countries has many other factors which I am not at liberty to speak about since I don't live in other countries.

SO AA is clearly not the reason why racism exists. Indeed it must have exist before AA existed otherwise Rosa Parks would have got a seat without much trouble and the Rev King would have dreamt about something else. ~You have an issue with AA, your prerogative, but you are then saying or implying that this causes or justifies racism, which it damned well does not.

[mongrel]

MrZanyGaming,, as I mentioned, racism exists in countries which emancipated slaves early on or never had mass slavery. or AA. Racism isn't even a black/white issue, (see TWC's Balkan threads) So the whole premise of your thread is wrong.

Racism exist because some peoples are better/smarter/superior then others and sometimes when people who dont want to live together is forced to.

Racists tend to be quite stupid or utter failures. I can only presume you are referring to us normal people as better/smarter/superior.

[Earl Dibbles Jr]

MrZanyGaming,, as I mentioned, racism exists in countries which emancipated slaves early on or never had mass slavery. or AA. Racism isn't even a black/white issue, (see TWC's Balkan threads) So the whole premise of your thread is wrong.





Racists tend to be quite stupid or utter failures. I can only presume you are referring to us normal people as better/smarter/superior.

Meh each group has its idiots.