What will be the next total war game?

[LestaT]

At the risk of sounding overly pessimistic, I seriously doubt that would do much good, despite being a decent idea. Many of these threads seems to have their origins over at the RTW2-section and get transferred/dumped here when spotted by the moderation over there - this with usually little consideration or thought of what topics are already here in this section. Essentially a glitch in the overall moderation-system and practice, or so it seems. Anyhow, (right or wrong) I have basically come to view threads like this one (and all the other 5000 clones) as a trusty expression of general human stupidity. I mean this thread will in all likelihood be as futile as all the other threads before it, and still it won't be the last of its kind - this despite the fact that "next TW" is already known and declared by CA - as you have pointed out. You just can't fight or reason with that kind of stupidity, can you?

Had this thread actually been the first of its kind, and had the next TW actually been unknown, I would probably say something like.... "I totally don't give a damn... And, my general advice to all is that neither should any of you, as you will only get (more) disappointed otherwise. It can essentially be anything-TW, it won't matter much anyway as CA will probably still screw it all up (somehow) regardless - as experience suggest it."

- A

I agree. My experience tell me that users don't generally read the sticky.

[emotion_name]

But i think your missing the point of General TW Discussion.

You may have seen, and commented, in many of these threads - does that mean its a subject that is now final and closed?

I view this topic along similar lines of talking about the weather, or listing top 5's when having a few beers. Its a cyclical conversation really, one that new people here to TWC can discuss as energetically as others before them have, and one that even members have discussed before can join in on again, maybe viewpoints changed etc. Exactly the same as previous examples i gave, its a discussion that will always happen.

Id suggest, if you find them stupid, dont post in them!

[Axalon]

You may have seen, and commented, in many of these threads - does that mean its a subject that is now final and closed?

Nope, it does not... However it does not mean either that people should start discussing the topic all over again, and again, and again, in yet another thread, again, and again. How about just using the thread that is already dedicated to it, I mean how hard is it? Or the fact that the answer is already known at this point, as Dago pointed out? I think that is equally valid arguments in all this...

I view this topic along similar lines of talking about the weather, or listing top 5's when having a few beers. Its a cyclical conversation really, one that new people here to TWC can discuss as energetically as others before them have, and one that even members have discussed before can join in on again, maybe viewpoints changed etc. Exactly the same as previous examples i gave, its a discussion that will always happen.

Fair enough... Its a much friendlier, kinder and more optimistic way of looking at these things then I typically do. Anyway, I can understand this kind of view, even if it seems distant to my own. And, evidently you are right in the sense that it is cyclic as it still happens despite the next TW-game is already known. But, how about sticking to one thread and leave it at that? Even if it is a cyclic discussion? Because all these doublets and triplets are just annoying. The worst I seen, if memory serves, was nine incarnations of "next TW"-threads in this very section, at the first page, at the same time (was it 2011? I can't remember). That is another aspect of this topic....

Id suggest, if you find them stupid, dont post in them!

I guess its tempting to say something like that, I probably would not had it only been one thread in the first place. Or that people (this time) so blatantly ignored what Dago accurately pointed out - the next TW is already known! Ergo, the whole premise for this topic and thread (as defined) is actually non-existent at this point - the answer is already known, and there is no way around that reality - that is, if we are supposed to be rational here. Again, had it been just one thread, and it was "an unknown", it all would strike me as a somewhat less braindead activity (but still futile) - and I would probably settled with the "I totally dont give damn"- remark... Just to make sure, the notion had representation on the boards!

- A

[Mayer]

Total War: New Engine would be a nice addition.

This. The only way to rescue the Total War franchise is when CA makes a new engine which reintroduces unit collision and gets rid of these forced kill moves where only one soldier at a time can attack another. It's awful for melee combat.

A working and challenging AI is another request i have. Arena:Total War, the multiplayer tw sounds like a confession that CA can't get the AI right.
Also extensive beta-testing is a must to prevent a catastrophic bug infested launch like Empire & Rome II

[emotion_name]

Hehehe, i must just be turning liberal in my mid life crisis!

I see this sub forum as more of a "Pointless TW Discussion" area, somewhere to chatter aimlessly around TW - a bit like Thema Devia but without the TW part!

That said, the anarchist in me is hoping the OP puts the cat amongst the pigeons and changes thread title to "What will be the next true TW game" (see how bad my mid life crisis is if i view this as anarchistic)

I been weaning myself off TW for awhile now, at least to a stage where i dont hunger over any bits of news or hype anymore, im curious as to what the next TW is then as i dont recall seeing CA announce anything. I know their is Arenas, and Warhammer, but their not true TW!

(Plus, if all the threads like these were merged into a sticky, there wouldnt really be a General TW discussion Area, there would just be a sticky for this, a sticky for fave TW games and a sticky for missing/wanted features)

[ooji]

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[ooji]

How come no one even mentioned about total war game placed in the far east? There have been so many total games placed in Europe, another one would be like a toilet paper recycled for the fifth time. Seriously. I think it would be great if they release a total war game that takes place when Temujin (AKA Chinggis khan) is born.
I propose that the next total war game be Mongol Total War. Reasons for it?
1. Scale
The map area. It would be epic, and cover everything not covered so far! Who wants to go back to Europe again? China! The steppes! Russia (properly this time) The Middle East, and the Far East. All these awesome places and their varying topography.
2. Unit variety
Rome 1 achieved great unit diversity, but the rest of the total war games didn't have as much diversity. Mongol total war would include so many different factions with different cultures and units.
3. The epic historical events. you can conquer a Mongol empire bigger than all the previous maps put together, or take the side of the Persian caliphs, and try to hold back the mongol horde as it pours over the mountains. you can fight as the Mameluks and defeat the mongols in the heart of the holy land, or be the defeated Austrian army cowering behind the gates of Vienna waiting for the hammer blow that will never come. you can be the master of the great knights templar, fighting his last stand on the banks a river in Hungary as the great Tsubadai swirls his forces around you. or you can be the Rus prince, desperately trying to defend Moscow from the terror that comes in the night.

The scale of mongol total war could be amazing and the sheer playability of so many armies and situations would last for ever. Shogun 2 is brilliantly detailed, but lacks scope, which is a nice change from the epic empire, but in empire, you are basically always having one line of men shooting at another lie of men, it got dull lets face it. Rome had amazing variety of units and tactics, but the game mechanics couldnt live up to the situation. MTW2 had too much micromanagement, and battles became too frequent, and too irrelevant, you were always fighting on 16 fronts at once with 30 armies and couldnt lose at that point. Mongol can be the best of both worlds, the tactics and unit detail of shogun, the variety of units and armies of Rome, and the scale and epicness of empire all combined a challenge, and genuine risk of losing and of course.

Here are some suggested soundtracks for Mongol total war:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7AS...eature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHGOuPyNnTg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN6c...eature=related

[Irenicus]

Next TW should be Rome II: Total War - The Working Edition

[Legio X Gemina]

China Total War for sure. They have to make games in Asia besides Japan.

[ooji]

Mongol Total War would be better. You would still have Chinese dynasties, but also Mongols, Koreans and other factions.

[Legio X Gemina]

Not specific enough. You have specific time periods in the Total War games. I'd like one for the Warring States Period in China. Then Imperial China where it conquered Korea or even Vietnam (and then a dlc with the Mongolian invasion, or even make it a main campaign).

[ooji]

I made it specific enough by mentioning that it should start at the birth of Chinggis khan in my previous post. Warring states period of China wouldn't be as fun since it's just Chinese factions vs Chinese factions. It won't be much different than Shogun 2. Total war involving Mongols would make things lot more interesting.

[Legio X Gemina]

I made it specific enough by mentioning that it should start at the birth of Chinggis khan in my previous post. Warring states period of China wouldn't be as fun since it's just Chinese factions vs Chinese factions. It won't be much different than Shogun 2. Total war involving Mongols would make things lot more interesting.

Ah, sorry I didn't see your previous post! (: Then let's make the Warring Kingdoms a DLC and include the Mongols in the main game. Sounds great, yeah?

[emotion_name]

I will confess to having roughly zero knowledge about eastern history, and S2TW was only bought on the strength of it being a TW game, but having heard people mention the 3 kingdoms era and things like this in eastern history im intrigued.

TW needs something....errrrrr.... revolutionary to grab me again now - recycling the same old crap on the same old engine just doesnt cut it anymore,

Mongols wouldnt go down well as a full stand alone game no matter how fleshed it out it was, as people will always refer to the expansion for MTW. I think maybe a more NTW style game, where one General/Leader is followed in depth would be a better idea, but based in the east and not including Europe. This would at least "expose" people like me to the era and the history around it, and then a fully fledged TW eastern game could follow!

[ooji]

Ah, sorry I didn't see your previous post! (: Then let's make the Warring Kingdoms a DLC and include the Mongols in the main game. Sounds great, yeah?

Sounds good!

TW needs something....errrrrr.... revolutionary to grab me again now - recycling the same old crap on the same old engine just doesnt cut it anymore,

Mongols wouldnt go down well as a full stand alone game no matter how fleshed it out it was, as people will always refer to the expansion for MTW. I think maybe a more NTW style game, where one General/Leader is followed in depth would be a better idea, but based in the east and not including Europe. This would at least "expose" people like me to the era and the history around it, and then a fully fledged TW eastern game could follow!

I think what they could do is use similar mechanics like Caeser in Gaul DLC and make that Mongol's campaign. I don't know why more people aren't interested in Eastern history though.

[Legio X Gemina]

I think it's because of the amount of Western history being taught in classes. I've taken AP Latin, AP World History, and AP US History, but there are no classes for the East. I mean seriously? We've got Huns, Mongols, Korea, and Vietnam all in the East (and they're all intertwined in China's history).

Huge, huge amount of gameplay material right there.

[Naca1227]

I think it's because of the amount of Western history being taught in classes. I've taken AP Latin, AP World History, and AP US History, but there are no classes for the East. I mean seriously? We've got Huns, Mongols, Korea, and Vietnam all in the East (and they're all intertwined in China's history).

Huge, huge amount of gameplay material right there.

Agreed, and with all this new stuff popping up about ancient SE Asian you could do a lot of cool things. Honestly tho, Medieval 3 please

[DavidtheDuke]

I have not looked through all these posts, but it will probably be a Warscape-based Warhammer (yes, unfortunately Warscape): http://imgur.com/A4C6ImX

I'd be super excited, if it were on the MTW2 engine. (I'd seriously pay for a updated, faction-expanding, game-mechanic expanding Rage of the Dark Gods, it is my favorite 'game' ever, really)

RTW2 has made me lose almost all hope in a proper city pathfinding and siege AI for Warscape. There are too many problems for me to think CA can fix it (they never were the best at fixing things)

[Nizam89]

I have not looked through all these posts, but it will probably be a Warscape-based Warhammer (yes, unfortunately Warscape): http://imgur.com/A4C6ImX

I'd be super excited, if it were on the MTW2 engine. (I'd seriously pay for a updated, faction-expanding, game-mechanic expanding Rage of the Dark Gods, it is my favorite 'game' ever, really)

RTW2 has made me lose almost all hope in a proper city pathfinding and siege AI for Warscape. There are too many problems for me to think CA can fix it (they never were the best at fixing things)

Yes next game will be Warhammer TW... the evidence is right there and overwhelming ... unfortunately.

[TheRomanRuler]

Hopefully something that is done properly. Era vice, Empire 2 or Medieval 3, hopefully Medieval 3 first so when they make Empire 2 it will be much better than Medieval 3, and horrors of Rome 2 and original Empire are overcome.