[GS HS] Tag-Team Tournament 1

[Uriyaca]

It was a definition of a hostile act, and not the 1 turn peace rule. And you obviouslly cut my post, because I followed it with saying that by that definition the rule would not make sense because how could Lannister move troops on Tully land if we use that definition.

And if we are quoting people now, may I remind you Emperor of Hell how did we conjur that rule up? I first said "1 turn peace unless you attack someone which is before you in the turn order" in the Hotseat constitution, you then said that we should change the rule to this one

So basically, you were the one to ecknowlege the problem, and accept it in the rules as a valid Lannister tactic, but then made an exception that Tully is allowed to attack Lannister armies that are marching on your lands

So much for complaining about a problem you ecknowleged as a valid tactic in the constitution thread......

I will make it simple for you guys
1) this act was not forbidden in the rules, and was actually ecknowleged by the rules (the exact opposite of Dux's ruling) chosen by Gaming Staff for this tournament
2) There is a very important rule which states specifficaly that the admin can only change the rules and forbid an act or trick he does not like by putting it to a vote and having it take effect the following turn
3) the Gaming staff and the hotseat admin (Dux) ignore all these and judge as they like and as they see fit.

I will not replay my turn even if I could replay my turn, and so there are two options for the Gaming Staff and Emperor/Korpskog to choose from-
1) Either agree with me and drop their demands for a replay / using Ice's save (for Korps and Emperor of Hell) or reverss the ruling and keep track with the rules they chose for this hotseat
2) Or I without any choice am forced to leave this hotseat seeing as I cannot play in a HS/tournament in which the admin does not respect his own rules / respect the rights of the players to do what they think would be in their best interest as long as they do not break the rules (me and Ice, although I have not yet seen a response from Ice on this matter. Prolly because he lives in Australia)

In that I end this argument. I will not change my mind on this. I won't be like Obama, this is my red line and it will not be crossed!

[Korpskog]

2) There is a very important rule which states specifficaly that the admin can only change the rules and forbid an act or trick he does not like by putting it to a vote and having it take effect the following turn

In my opinion that should not be the case on turn 1

1) Either agree with me and drop their demands for a replay / using Ice's save (for Korps and Emperor of Hell) or reverss the ruling and keep track with the rules they chose for this hotseat

I am not against using Ice's save

This have been a long day for me and this kind of broke my spirit, so im going to take some well deserved sleep and be ready to play tomorrow despite in which direction the Gaming Staff leads us.

I quote a beloved character from The Sopranos, "I will march with you (Gaming Staff) to the gates of hell!"

[Mithridate]

I only cut away your underlying reasoning, as the part quoted is your deduction.

We were talking about what constituted an act of war as the rules at the time simply stated one turn peace, afterwards we changed to include the exception it now shows... I then pointed out that i should be allowed to fort as im allowed to stand in his lands due to him being before me in turn. Not supposedly a valid lannister tactic to use upon someone whom was after him in turn.

Even then, it was agreed upon that despite being allowed to stand in his lands i could not fort.

I think you are simply seeing red due to previous events, you and i tend to see eye to eye Uriyaca and i urge you to reconsider.

2) Or I without any choice am forced to leave this hotseat seeing as I cannot play in a HS/tournament in which the admin does not respect his own rules / respect the rights of the players to do what they think would be in their best interest as long as they do not break the rules

Please do not go there without safety stops Especially not while ignoring the neutral admin, your fellow hotseaters and GS in a GS hotseat...

[Arrow2daknee]

It was a definition of a hostile act, and not the 1 turn peace rule. And you obviouslly cut my post, because I followed it with saying that by that definition the rule would not make sense because how could Lannister move troops on Tully land if we use that definition.

And if we are quoting people now, may I remind you Emperor of Hell how did we conjur that rule up? I first said "1 turn peace unless you attack someone which is before you in the turn order" in the Hotseat constitution, you then said that we should change the rule to this one

So basically, you were the one to ecknowlege the problem, and accept it in the rules as a valid Lannister tactic, but then made an exception that Tully is allowed to attack Lannister armies that are marching on your lands

So much for complaining about a problem you ecknowleged as a valid tactic in the constitution thread......

I will make it simple for you guys
1) this act was not forbidden in the rules, and was actually ecknowleged by the rules (the exact opposite of Dux's ruling) chosen by Gaming Staff for this tournament
2) There is a very important rule which states specifficaly that the admin can only change the rules and forbid an act or trick he does not like by putting it to a vote and having it take effect the following turn
3) the Gaming staff and the hotseat admin (Dux) ignore all these and judge as they like and as they see fit.

I will not replay my turn even if I could replay my turn, and so there are two options for the Gaming Staff and Emperor/Korpskog to choose from-
1) Either agree with me and drop their demands for a replay / using Ice's save (for Korps and Emperor of Hell) or reverss the ruling and keep track with the rules they chose for this hotseat
2) Or I without any choice am forced to leave this hotseat seeing as I cannot play in a HS/tournament in which the admin does not respect his own rules / respect the rights of the players to do what they think would be in their best interest as long as they do not break the rules (me and Ice, although I have not yet seen a response from Ice on this matter. Prolly because he lives in Australia)

In that I end this argument. I will not change my mind on this. I won't be like Obama, this is my red line and it will not be crossed!

Yeah..... I don't want to go to the point of insulting but I think of no other way to show my point. I'm sorry for maybe being a little over-enthusiastic Dux, hope this argument is over now, let Dux make his final decision on this matter and then we will see if I stay or leave

I can obviouslly see I have been a moodbreaker and a delay to this tournament and I doubt that Gaming Staff would nudge from their position, so I suggest you find a new partner ASAP Ice. I'm sorry for all this

Best of luck to all of you and I will see how this unfolds

And basically this is a very common accurance in hotseats in which admin makes judgement not based on the rules and while I mostly despise it I usually suck it up, but this one being different because there is a rule for this exact situation and yet the rules are being ignored yet again

I only cut away your underlying reasoning, as the part quoted is your deduction.

We were talking about what constituted an act of war as the rules at the time simply stated one turn peace, afterwards we changed to include the exception it now shows... I then pointed out that i should be allowed to fort as im allowed to stand in his lands due to him being before me in turn. Not supposedly a valid lannister tactic to use upon someone whom was after him in turn.

Even then, it was agreed upon that despite being allowed to stand in his lands i could not fort.

I think you are simply seeing red due to previous events, you and i tend to see eye to eye Uriyaca and i urge you to reconsider.
Please do not go there without safety stops Especially not while ignoring the neutral admin, your fellow hotseaters and GS in a GS hotseat...

It was a definition of a hostile act, and not the 1 turn peace rule. And you obviouslly cut my post, because I followed it with saying that by that definition the rule would not make sense because how could Lannister move troops on Tully land if we use that definition.

And if we are quoting people now, may I remind you Emperor of Hell how did we conjur that rule up? I first said "1 turn peace unless you attack someone which is before you in the turn order" in the Hotseat constitution, you then said that we should change the rule to this one

So basically, you were the one to ecknowlege the problem, and accept it in the rules as a valid Lannister tactic, but then made an exception that Tully is allowed to attack Lannister armies that are marching on your lands

So much for complaining about a problem you ecknowleged as a valid tactic in the constitution thread......

I will make it simple for you guys
1) this act was not forbidden in the rules, and was actually ecknowleged by the rules (the exact opposite of Dux's ruling) chosen by Gaming Staff for this tournament
2) There is a very important rule which states specifficaly that the admin can only change the rules and forbid an act or trick he does not like by putting it to a vote and having it take effect the following turn
3) the Gaming staff and the hotseat admin (Dux) ignore all these and judge as they like and as they see fit.

I will not replay my turn even if I could replay my turn, and so there are two options for the Gaming Staff and Emperor/Korpskog to choose from-
1) Either agree with me and drop their demands for a replay / using Ice's save (for Korps and Emperor of Hell) or reverss the ruling and keep track with the rules they chose for this hotseat
2) Or I without any choice am forced to leave this hotseat seeing as I cannot play in a HS/tournament in which the admin does not respect his own rules / respect the rights of the players to do what they think would be in their best interest as long as they do not break the rules (me and Ice, although I have not yet seen a response from Ice on this matter. Prolly because he lives in Australia)

In that I end this argument. I will not change my mind on this. I won't be like Obama, this is my red line and it will not be crossed!

Uri, I know you get the feeling the entire world is against you with this (which is kinda true), but please take a step back, take a deep breath and take a new fresh look at the case and your options. Preferably after a night sleep and after you have talked to Ice Eyes.

I don't want you to leave, I want to see you kick some ass, as you claimed you would. But I want you to do that fairly, within the rules and without using obvious loopholes in the rules to your advantage. In my opinion you should have notified us, and certainly Ice Eyes, your team mate who is not even aware of this strategy nor this discussion, of this possibility and loophole, so that we could have taken appropriate steps beforehand.

You build forts in enemy territory, blocking off Riverrun and Tully's armies and effectively taking all his southern castles on turn 2 and 3, without Tully being able to do anything about it. In my opinion, and that of all fellow hotseaters, admins and gaming staff that have posted here, that counts as an act of war against House Tully and should not be allowed under the 1 turn peace rule.

Now place yourself in Tully's position, what would you have done in this case? The only obvious thing would be to point out that fort building is in fact an act of war and is part of the one turn peace rule for a long time, active in all other hotseats.
In the Championship hotseat, over 6 months ago, we had a similar problem and there we agreed it was not fair and that the addition should be in every hotseat after that one (Mithridate already quoted from there). Since then, this rule clarification has been, written and unwritten, active in all hotseats using the youngbloods mod. You damn well know this, as you agreed to this rule in Champ.

That we forgot to add this clarification of the one turn peace rule in these tournaments is entirely our fault, we should have noticed this loophole.
So, sorry everyone for this mess.

You point to the rule
in case someone preforms a trick\move which isn't forbidden by the rules that the admin does not like, that action (if it should be allowed or not) goes to a vote and if more then half the players agree then that rule will become valid next turn


as your defense.
But then I ask you, how can this rule apply to turn 1 and to a rule that only counts for turn 1? As you can see every player here, except you, agrees with that forts in enemy lands are an act of war and should not be allowed according to the one turn peace rule. Then in your opinion that change should be in effect next turn, which is pointless as then turn 1 is already over!
So almost everybody thinks this should be added, and it would be democratically to listen to this majority, so why then block it?

And you blandly ignore the most important bolded rule of all. Admin's word is final.

So this discussion ends now. Please talk to Ice Eyes, take a night sleep to think about your decision to leave and come back tomorrow and then make the decision.

I would hate to see you leave, you are one of the top contenders.

Is this better Mith?

[Uriyaca]

I said I do not agree to using Ice's save, I didn't say you don't agree to it

Pretty exhausted myself, and gn Korps. And who watches the sopranos anyway?

[jemdkyl]

Don't freaking spoil it for me I didn't finish watching it.

[Uriyaca]

Yeah..... I don't want to go to the point of insulting but I think of no other way to show my point. I'm sorry for maybe being a little over-enthusiastic Dux, hope this argument is over now, let Dux make his final decision on this matter and then we will see if I stay or leave

I can obviouslly see I have been a moodbreaker and a delay to this tournament and I doubt that Gaming Staff would nudge from their position, so I suggest you find a new partner ASAP Ice. I'm sorry for all this

Best of luck to all of you and I will see how this unfolds

And basically this is a very common accurance in hotseats in which admin makes judgement not based on the rules and while I mostly despise it I usually suck it up, but this one being different because there is a rule for this exact situation and yet the rules are being ignored yet again

[Dux]

Uri, I know you get the feeling the entire world is against you with this (which is kinda true), but please take a step back, take a deep breath and take a new fresh look at the case and your options. Preferably after a night sleep and after you have talked to Ice Eyes.

I don't want you to leave, I want to see you kick some ass, as you claimed you would. But I want you to do that fairly, within the rules and without using obvious loopholes in the rules to your advantage. In my opinion you should have notified us, and certainly Ice Eyes, your team mate who is not even aware of this strategy nor this discussion, of this possibility and loophole, so that we could have taken appropriate steps beforehand.

You build forts in enemy territory, blocking off Riverrun and Tully's armies and effectively taking all his southern castles on turn 2 and 3, without Tully being able to do anything about it. In my opinion, and that of all fellow hotseaters, admins and gaming staff that have posted here, that counts as an act of war against House Tully and should not be allowed under the 1 turn peace rule.

Now place yourself in Tully's position, what would you have done in this case? The only obvious thing would be to point out that fort building is in fact an act of war and is part of the one turn peace rule for a long time, active in all other hotseats.
In the Championship hotseat, over 6 months ago, we had a similar problem and there we agreed it was not fair and that the addition should be in every hotseat after that one (Mithridate already quoted from there). Since then, this rule clarification has been, written and unwritten, active in all hotseats using the youngbloods mod. You damn well know this, as you agreed to this rule in Champ.

That we forgot to add this clarification of the one turn peace rule in these tournaments is entirely our fault, we should have noticed this loophole.
So, sorry everyone for this mess.

You point to the rule

in case someone preforms a trick\move which isn't forbidden by the rules that the admin does not like, that action (if it should be allowed or not) goes to a vote and if more then half the players agree then that rule will become valid next turn

as your defense.
But then I ask you, how can this rule apply to turn 1 and to a rule that only counts for turn 1? As you can see every player here, except you, agrees with that forts in enemy lands are an act of war and should not be allowed according to the one turn peace rule. Then in your opinion that change should be in effect next turn, which is pointless as then turn 1 is already over!
So almost everybody thinks this should be added, and it would be democratically to listen to this majority, so why then block it?

And you blandly ignore the most important bolded rule of all. Admin's word is final.

So this discussion ends now. Please talk to Ice Eyes, take a night sleep to think about your decision to leave and come back tomorrow and then make the decision.

I would hate to see you leave, you are one of the top contenders.

[Arrow2daknee]

Uri, I know you get the feeling the entire world is against you with this (which is kinda true), but please take a step back, take a deep breath and take a new fresh look at the case and your options. Preferably after a night sleep and after you have talked to Ice Eyes.

I don't want you to leave, I want to see you kick some ass, as you claimed you would. But I want you to do that fairly, within the rules and without using obvious loopholes in the rules to your advantage. In my opinion you should have notified us, and certainly Ice Eyes, your team mate who is not even aware of this strategy nor this discussion, of this possibility and loophole, so that we could have taken appropriate steps beforehand.

You build forts in enemy territory, blocking off Riverrun and Tully's armies and effectively taking all his southern castles on turn 2 and 3, without Tully being able to do anything about it. In my opinion, and that of all fellow hotseaters, admins and gaming staff that have posted here, that counts as an act of war against House Tully and should not be allowed under the 1 turn peace rule.

Now place yourself in Tully's position, what would you have done in this case? The only obvious thing would be to point out that fort building is in fact an act of war and is part of the one turn peace rule for a long time, active in all other hotseats.
In the Championship hotseat, over 6 months ago, we had a similar problem and there we agreed it was not fair and that the addition should be in every hotseat after that one (Mithridate already quoted from there). Since then, this rule clarification has been, written and unwritten, active in all hotseats using the youngbloods mod. You damn well know this, as you agreed to this rule in Champ.

That we forgot to add this clarification of the one turn peace rule in these tournaments is entirely our fault, we should have noticed this loophole.
So, sorry everyone for this mess.

You point to the rule as your defense.
But then I ask you, how can this rule apply to turn 1 and to a rule that only counts for turn 1? As you can see every player here, except you, agrees with that forts in enemy lands are an act of war and should not be allowed according to the one turn peace rule. Then in your opinion that change should be in effect next turn, which is pointless as then turn 1 is already over!
So almost everybody thinks this should be added, and it would be democratically to listen to this majority, so why then block it?

And you blandly ignore the most important bolded rule of all. Admin's word is final.

So this discussion ends now. Please talk to Ice Eyes, take a night sleep to think about your decision to leave and come back tomorrow and then make the decision.

I would hate to see you leave, you are one of the top contenders.

Wow, I'm too lazy to read these walls of texts you guys have been typing, but I want to!

[Mithridate]

Wow, I'm too lazy to read these walls of texts you guys have been typing, but I want to!

GS do so you wont have to

I at least would appreciate some modesty when quoting however

[themzr]

I think uriyaca needs to spend more time worrying about the noble and courageous warriors of the south and less time about the barbarians of the north. But in the end it will not matter for the knights of highgarden shall reclaim their rightful spot as king of westeros.

[Ice Eyes]

wow...wow i have read back and it seems that Uri has forted off riverrun on turn 1 and the admin and other players have argued saying he has broken the turn 1 peace rule Correct? don't tell off uri like that especialy arrow alright u not part of this tournament dont get involved (a players perspective)

This is a clearly a mistake on his part. Uri dont quite, dont give up on our team man we could go all the way. If uri cant replay The alliance of the north Use my save it is perfectly awesome! so we can continue please..... With Uri mate dont quite its not fair on me and tbh u did kinda break the peace rule. This does not mean u quite it means u show these players that we are the best team and we will be the last ones standing. Stay here and help me win. There is other ways to take out Tully and stark i know. Stay man dont give up on me!

[Ice Eyes]

Uri if u stay i will always have ur back man!

even if it takes me to this length hahahahahahah

[Uriyaca]

I will stay, no thanks to Gaming Staff argument trying to justify this but simply because it wouldn't be fair to Ice if I left


Go ahead, use Ice's save. Bloody hell

[Ice Eyes]

thanks man! We will win did u like the youtube clip !

[Uriyaca]

thanks man! We will win did u like the youtube clip !

I can't see it, I'm on my phone and it isn't linked properly
You need to write [YOURUBE]the link after the =[/YOUTUBE]

[Ice Eyes]

already did its working fine for me! must be ur end!

[Uriyaca]

already did its working fine for me! must be ur end!

Yeah its prolly because I'm on my phone

[Ice Eyes]

So who is up, lets roll people a quick game is a good game!

[Emperor of Hell]

Let's get going! http://www.mediafire.com/download/32...G1_Renly_1.sav