Anyone else noticed that using mods there is a greater possibility of civil war?

[pajomife]

Not to be paranoid or be with conspiracy theories, but after the patch 7, it is rare to play with Rome without having a civil war in twenty turns.This happens several times,the first one simple 3 turns after install the patch seven,in a save game,about turn 40.
What is funny, and strange, is that picking the save and delete my mod I can play several turns without civil war, but barely load the mod, it happens.I never had a single civil war before the patch 7 playing as Rome,sometimes by 60 turns.My mod is the same ,just adapted to patch 7.

[Protector]

I also got beta patch7 and I can confirm this issue. (30-50 turns ingame)

I tried with different separated mods and got very soon unrest trouble like never before.
I also tried with Toons All in One Mod... same result...very soon civil unrest.

So is the trouble maker patch 7 or its combination with mods ?

[Tyso3]

Radious has tested editing the civil war files, so in theory on his mod you should only have civil war when at the highest level of imperium.


AKA you can take your 30 stacks against the ais 30 stacks

[pajomife]

OK,I'm not the only one.Its wired.Different mods,different files, the same issue,a civil war in 20 turns.Seems to be another CA gift to the community.

[SD_Man]

20 turns? How is this in any way realistic, or "historically authentic"? Cmon CA

[crzyrndm]

OK,I'm not the only one.Its wired.Different mods,different files, the same issue,a civil war in 20 turns.Seems to be another CA gift to the community.

Well figure out what mod is causing it then, because it is not some arbitrary "if (mods) then (civil_war)". One of the mods you are using has done something to cause this.

Cmon CA

Blaming CA for issues caused by mods, really?

[pajomife]

Well figure out what mod is causing it then, because it is not some arbitrary "if (mods) then (civil_war)". One of the mods you are using has done something to cause this.

Blaming CA for issues caused by mods, really?

You don't read my first post, this never happened before the patch 7, and I use the same files, now I cant reach to 20th turn without a civil war. And civil war is hardcoded or very hidden, because I never saw any mod related with it, like a No Civil War mod.

[crzyrndm]

You don't read my first post, this never happened before the patch 7, and I use the same files, now I cant reach to 20th turn without a civil war. And civil war is hardcoded or very hidden, because I never saw any mod related with it, like a No Civil War mod.

I can tell you probably what has happened here. One of your mods is overwriting campaign_variables (which it really shouldn't in the first place with very few exceptions), and isn't updated for patch 7. That means all the civil war triggers are set up for 4 or 5 imperium levels (I forget which), instead of the 7 for patch 7. That leads to civil war triggering at 2-4(5) Imperium, instead of 5-7 in patch 7

For more specifics: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...void-civil-war (your own thread...)

[pajomife]

I can tell you probably what has happened here. One of your mods is overwriting campaign_variables (which it really shouldn't in the first place with very few exceptions), and isn't updated for patch 7. That means all the civil war triggers are set up for 4 or 5 imperium levels (I forget which), instead of the 7 for patch 7. That leads to civil war triggering at 2-4(5) Imperium, instead of 5-7 in patch 7

For more specifics: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...void-civil-war (your own thread...)

Thank you, I've seen the problem My mod does not have those lines.

campaign_variables


civil_war_always_trigger_fame_level 7
civil_war_high_chance_fame_level 6
civil_war_minimum_fame_level_required 5


Now I add it and will change to 7. No, it'll be quiet.

[Yuko]

ITT conspiracy theories!

[Dunadd]

Seems unlikely they would do that - more likely it's some change in patch 7 beta, maybe even an accidental one / unintentional side effect

[Slaists]

Hmm, I play vanilla only, no CW at turn 100 (VH campaign)

[SirRobin]

Well, when you mod your game, you do it at your own risk.

When you mess with the game files, unintended things can happen.

Some mods improve the game, but... caveat emptor.

[daelin4]

Odd, ever since I started using mods I have not yet gotten a civil war.

Though to be fair it's not like I played for THAT long as I found the rest of the game boring or the patches ruined said mods thus forcing a restart.

And frankly one would have to sort of prove that said mod caused said problem to happen. Mods modify game files- modify too much and you might end up modifying more than what you wanted to change. In this case, he odds of civil war happening.

How does civil war actually occur anyways? At random once thresholds are reached? If said thresholds are changed or "contaminated" then I guess you can argue that they cause civil war earlier as, what you claim, a sarcastic/sadistic "gift" from CA.

Because you know CA must hate mods so much they're ready to do more effort punishing them than they are fixing the game.

[Ltd.]

In my last campaign as the cherusci ( yes, I have the mod all factions and custom battle, which unlocks all factions, among others) I did not even have the civil war even after 150 turns. Though, in all fairness I got rid of all the other family members by sending them to suicide missions, so apparently there was noone left to incite a civil war. I have not played rome or carthage yet, so I don´t know about the tactis to be used there. Before patch 7 I had around 30- 35 mods, from smaller mods to overhauls, like lines of battler, which I also edited to my taste, so i am not sure if it really is related to mods or not. In my massagatae campaign, which I played before the cheruscii, a civil war did occur, though I did not pay attention to my or the other family members.

[quiettfxgt]

Though to be fair it's not like I played for THAT long as I found the rest of the game boring or the patches ruined said mods thus forcing a restart.

[#TheTBNR™]

Back to the topic of civil wars, mods like Radious Mod creates Civil Wars that are just completely insane like the one I had playing as Macedon below:

[Protector]

Wow,

38 full stack armies surrounding a city ! Bravo !

But this pictures shows in a dramatic way how insane civil revolt can be with mods !

[krisslanza]

Wow,

38 full stack armies surrounding a city ! Bravo !

But this pictures shows in a dramatic way how insane civil revolt can be with mods !

That's because that particular mod also raises the army cap to a stupidly high number. The number of stacks the rebelling factions gets is proportional to the player's maximum army cap - so what do you think happens if you think that 12 armies isn't enough (for whatever reason), and make it say, 60?

Yeah. You get huge massive spawns. Not really the game's fault though - this it what happens sometimes when you mod a game.

[Archimonday]

Holy mother of god! Haha! WOW thats a massive army. I've currently raised the values in my mod to levels that I hope would disable them almost entirely. I've been playing campaigns for a good number of turns and haven't seen one in a while, but managing your government is important. Paying attention to each family and its influence, removing admirals and generals where necessary, and using different characters on campaign to keep it balanced is a good way to avoid the Civil War mechanic. Killing and discrediting the most ambitious Generals is also a good way to avoid it.