{DIK} Discussion

[Aneirin]

Glad you like it!

Yes, some people mentioned that point as well. I think we will make some adjustments for 4.1

[b257]

Any advice in regards to income? I conquered a settlement and disbanded some cavalry and ship units and made several trade agreements but I'm barely making any income since it keeps fluctuating between 96 and 197 florins and I barely got out of the red any tips to improve my economic situation?

[Aneirin]

Financial management is not as easy as it was in Vanilla M2TW, mind you. A simple keynesian expansionist economy powered by the spoils of war that would work in Vanilla is very likely to fail here, as you will be in high debts soon and at some point you have to pay them all back.

It is usually possible with any faction to get positive income by
- disbanding expensive troops (ships, cavalry, elite units) at the start
- keeping your generals in the towns until you really need them (cf. field cost script)
- recruiting as many of the (free!) merchants as possible to eat other merchants and exploit the gold and silver in the alps and on the balkans
- keeping sieges as short as possible, they cost you 1000 per round
- restricting construction activity to a minimum (except for markets/farms) for the early phase of the game, until you can afford bigger/more projects
- increasing taxes to the highest possible level.

I think this post from Iskar is very helpful.
As well as our thread here.

Cheers Neadal

[b257]

Whelp my Venice campaign ended, the ottomans and holy roman empire blitzed me . So iI started a Hungary campaign and I like it , one question, will pavise spearmen have pavise shields in the future? Just curious.

[Aneirin]

Oh that's an mistake with the translation

Once they had pavise shields, but we renamed them as "Hungarian Guardsmen" at least in the German version..
Obviously I forgot it in the english one.

[b257]

Oh that's an mistake with the translation

Once they had pavise shields, but we renamed them as "Hungarian Guardsmen" at least in the German version..
Obviously I forgot it in the english one.

Ah, that makes sense , either way, my Hungarian campaign is starting well

[Nebaki]

Now add an Janissary Heavy Infantry that has not a long smock with Sword & Shield and Axt and Shield but with their Heavy Helmets Example : Make them armoured Suits like the Plates on their Head and give 100 of them Sword and the others Axt´s and you will have an really smashing Shock Infantry

[Aneirin]

Did you already notice the Serdengecti?

[Nebaki]

Did you already notice the Serdengecti?

Yes but those are more Fantasy then reality or Historical , Serdengecti is something like a nickname in nice one , i think in German u would say " Frontschweine " !!!

These new Models from Tsardoms reminds me more the from that guy his mods:http://www.twcenter.net/forums/membe...47-Jedi-Knight

[Aneirin]

We made good progress with the bug fixing. I can say that we are quite done with it

Now we move on to the balancing of the units. If you have any ideas, suggestions or opinions to our current version, please let me know, so that we can discuss them.

Also a huge thank's to Iskar's hard work. He found a lot of issues and spend a lot of time testing version 4.0 before and even after our release.

Very appriciated!

Regards Neadal

[mjsanta83]

JMJ -

So a faction does not become destroyed until you conquer all of their cities AND destroy all of their field armies? I also tried assassinating all of their generals/family, but that didn't work either. I tried that with Spain to no avail. I tried taking all of the Papal States cities, but their field armies are still around.

This is not a complaint, just an observation. I rather like it to be honest. Cool stuff.

YBIC
Mike

[Aneirin]

Well not everyone
Only papacy and the Swiss. This is a feature added by Vlad Tepes. We planned to remove it, but we don't know what he did exactly and at the moment is to busy for helping us with modding.

Haha
So if you actually like it, maybe we shouldn't remove it

[mjsanta83]

JMJ -

Personally, I think it's a little more realistic. Just because their cities are all taken doesn't mean the faction is gone. Especially what I did to the Papal States: after taking all their cities, they still had 3 full armies and about 3 half armies. Would have been plenty of troops to retake some cities (or move around my armies and take mine ).

I believe TW: Attila does the same now with the new system. The barbarians don't need cities, they just wander around. (Not 100% on this, although I have Attila, I haven't played it. I'm too into MII and this mod).

YBIC
Mike

[mjsanta83]

JMJ -

I noticed something with Venice that I wanted to put here because it's not really a bug, just the AI being smart. Venice will place two stacks of units on the field outside of Venice, so that I can't land units there to attack the city. Any ideas?

Also, does the AI not have to pay upkeep like the player? The AI has several stacks of units with only a few cities. How far in debt can one go? What are the consequences of it; ie, will units disband, generals become disloyal?

YBIC
Mike

[Aneirin]

We have already noticed it as well.
I wouldn't call it smart, the AI is just to stupid to ferry their troops from the island to the mainland..
But that issue will be fixed in the upcoming patch

Thank's to Deatheye's idea for his mod Choceur.

Ah almost missed your other question!

Yes, the AI factions are excepted from the field cost script. Also the get every turn a bonus, in case they have less than three cities (or something like that)

Interesting question... maybe one could write a script, in case you have to many debts, that you lose the campaign...

Well.. maybe we could add that as script in the future version.
Thank's for your suggestion!

Cheers Neadal

[mjsanta83]

[Mausolos of Caria]

Woooo I just checked the forum and saw all the new factions! It looks wonderful, are the factions showcased in the previews already available in a new download? I guess not, but take your time anyway I've been busy with my master thesis in history so I kinda forgot about this mod, but then reloaded my Hungarian campaign on the weekend and thought I would have another look, only to find out you have added loads of new units, buildings, events and factions in the mean time, well done, +Rep to everyone from the team I can find

[mjsanta83]

JMJ -

So playing as Milan, I was fighting with Naples and the Papal States, and I had a surplus of 60,000 florins when at the beginning of one of my turns I get a notification that I must pay up on my debts of 50,000!! Wow! My last game as Florence I had to pay up twice for 10,000, but 50,000!

I had to change up my tactics (I was relying heavily on mercenaries), but it threw a wrench in my war machine.

It's an annoyance, but a really neat addition to the game. You just never know what's going to happen in these campaigns; just when you think you have the upper hand.

An enjoyable experience.

YBIC
Mike

[Aneirin]

That is just what we intended. Because the problem with the most mods is, when you own to much money, the game gets boring. So we added this feature to surprise the player and make the game more challenging

Also our intention was to make every single campaign an unique experience

[biro69]

Hi Neadal one question i would like to translate only file historic_events in italian, this can' cause crash?