Something a little similar to GSTK yet something a little different altogether

[Dark Storm]

Well Ponti and I have been talking; we've been missing GSTK in our lives guys but the old GSTK, the one of two years ago not the last iteration. So we have a plan, beginning in the year 1042 we restart a new GSTK, Ponti and I will draw up some of dem sxc rules and a bit of a background to show you guys but for now would anyone have an interest. We're looking for people willing to play and to moderate. So yeahhhh any thoughts ideas shoot them at us here or through pm and we'll see what we can do. Hope this works out, 'cause i've been craving a little bit of medieval madness in my life

[Lord William]

Hmmm... Right after I made my thread

[Pontifex Maximus]

We spoke about it at the pub five days ago, I have photo evidence. Anyway more on this later.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Picture a game setting more strictly historical at the start, that allows players to branch away from that and experience a wide range of gameplay possibilities as they design it. Battles competely decided by rp and common sense as opposed to the rigid and non-tactical gstk style of battles, clergy making a political difference in the temporal domain, where foreign npcs are treated as more than just punching bags to draw out the plot during periods of stagnation.


We start with four powerful families, backgrounds and characters are competely historical. The Duchy of Normandy, Kingdom of Denmark and Kingdom of Norway pose lasting and almost constant stimulatiin to the direction of the plot. Gstk was too focused in petty jnternal affairs, but now the playerbase controls England during a period of uncertainty.

[Dirty Chai]

We start with four powerful families, backgrounds and characters are competely historical. The Duchy of Normandy, Kingdom of Denmark and Kingdom of Norway pose lasting and almost constant stimulatiin to the direction of the plot. Gstk was too focused in petty jnternal affairs, but now the playerbase controls England during a period of uncertainty.

Does this refer to a 'death of Edward the Confessor' scenario?
Interesting.

In that case, you did post in the other thread that you can attract enough numbers. On one hand you speak of attracting numbers, on the other you mention that there is no large playerbase. Now that's a bit confusing.

Look, I may not have authority to say this (unless the Shed acknowledges otherwise) but I can tell one thing. The Shed, as was accused last time, has nothing against gstk or the veterans. There is irrefutable proof that the traditional gstk has failed to sustain itself for more than a few weeks. I am aware that so have most games. But then, there must be a damn good reason why this keeps happening with gstk, over and over again. That is the key to the problem. Pushing to revive the same thing time and time again might not achieve much. Even if revived again, there is again odds that it will fall when looking at the past data.

So, what you need to think is why should the Shed have Poach set it up again only to let it fall after some time? What can you offer on the table to ensure that all this effort will not go wasted, remembering very well that gstk has had the most leeway when compared to any game already.

Exactly. We get heavy-handed about it, but we don't hate GSTK itself. It's a pretty thing.
But it never comes back in the way everyone hopes. Reviving it never works, it just wastes away. It has a very proven record of doing so.
We'd love to see GSTK become some gloriously eternal RPG that never sleeps, but we know better than that.

[Pontifex Maximus]

I have my doubts that this would be successful, its too big and limiting at the same time...... what will those without a kingdom be doing? what is the objective and how does one who doesn't have a kingdom reach the objective.

Don't think of the King as the only power. Godwine and his family had arguably more power than the king in certain years. I know that it may be difficult for you to comprehend a game where you can't either start out at the higest position or get there very easily through minimal RP. There are four PC families, three NPC nations. Certain families start with different holdings in a historical setting, and all players would have to earn their place in the families they choose through good RP. Moderator control of NPCs would slowly wane over time as player controlled characters assumed leadership roles.

we need to play on an internal level, we dont have the numbers to play such a large scale

No, that approach clearly doesn't work any more, does it?

In that case, you did post in the other thread that you can attract enough numbers. On one hand you speak of attracting numbers, on the other you mention that there is no large playerbase. Now that's a bit confusing.

Sorry, I never said anything like that.

Does this refer to a 'death of Edward the Confessor' scenario?
Interesting.

Not necessarily, but potentially. Edward will be the King we start with the year of his ascension. What happens after that is up to players. Plan for a very historical start that immediately begins to morph into what the players make of it for themselves.

[Dirty Chai]

In that case, you did post in the other thread that you can attract enough numbers. On one hand you speak of attracting numbers, on the other you mention that there is no large playerbase. Now that's a bit confusing...

Sorry, I never said anything like that..

Ponti, he was addressing Lord William.
He was echoing essentially the same thing you just said.

[Rhapture]

Picture a game setting more strictly historical at the start, that allows players to branch away from that and experience a wide range of gameplay possibilities as they design it. Battles competely decided by rp and common sense as opposed to the rigid and non-tactical gstk style of battles, clergy making a political difference in the temporal domain, where foreign npcs are treated as more than just punching bags to draw out the plot during periods of stagnation.


We start with four powerful families, backgrounds and characters are competely historical. The Duchy of Normandy, Kingdom of Denmark and Kingdom of Norway pose lasting and almost constant stimulatiin to the direction of the plot. Gstk was too focused in petty jnternal affairs, but now the playerbase controls England during a period of uncertainty.

This is something I would be interested in playing and helping out with. Just wondering who is going to play Lady Godiva.

[René Artois]

This is something I would be interested in playing and helping out with. Just wondering who is going to play Lady Godiva.

Mrs. Mainwaring of course.

[Lord William]

I have my doubts that this would be successful, its too big and limiting at the same time...... what will those without a kingdom be doing? what is the objective and how does one who doesn't have a kingdom reach the objective.

we need to play on an internal level, we dont have the numbers to play such a large scale

[m_1512]

In that case, you did post in the other thread that you can attract enough numbers. On one hand you speak of attracting numbers, on the other you mention that there is no large playerbase. Now that's a bit confusing.

Look, I may not have authority to say this (unless the Shed acknowledges otherwise) but I can tell one thing. The Shed, as was accused last time, has nothing against gstk or the veterans. There is irrefutable proof that the traditional gstk has failed to sustain itself for more than a few weeks. I am aware that so have most games. But then, there must be a damn good reason why this keeps happening with gstk, over and over again. That is the key to the problem. Pushing to revive the same thing time and time again might not achieve much. Even if revived again, there is again odds that it will fall when looking at the past data.

So, what you need to think is why should the Shed have Poach set it up again only to let it fall after some time? What can you offer on the table to ensure that all this effort will not go wasted, remembering very well that gstk has had the most leeway when compared to any game already.

[m_1512]

Sorry, I never said anything like that.

Ponti, he was addressing Lord William.
He was echoing essentially the same thing you just said.

Yes, I was addressing LW. Sorry, I should have been bit more clear. What confused me is that he mentioned in the other thread that the other proposal can attract enough membership, and here he posts that there isn't enough active membership anymore.

[Ace_General]

In my view what doomed tne new restarts of GSTK was how ridgid and historical they were. Like in the god old days we had trunky the elephant for christ's sake, and the rufians who wanted to dominate europe who were like some semi demonic illuminati and I had a charecter that was a damned tatar who became an earl, then became marshal of the byzantine empire, then landed in spain to fight in a crusade running off with the byzantine emperors sister. And we had a king that assassinated every noble when he came to power and in the mid 1300s we had a 17th century navy.

Personally, GSTK is my favorite all time RPG. But I see the failure of the restarts due to two things, one, the more historical accuracy and stricture you have the less of that freewheeling pure awesomeness that was old school GSTK will be there.

2. We need lord flash back.

And whats keeping ups from stopping right now, the forum is still open, I say we get some people together and just start RPing and go with it. I say to keep some continuity with teh old world say the World of GSTK has undergone a major disaster and the players are people who are comming out of hiding to rebuild everything. If people want to play the descendants of old characters they can just say you emerged from hiding in your family estates or they can play new people. Heck I want to go post right now the remants of the rody emerging from the forrests of Sherwood with what is left of the Wilson Familes retainers

[m_1512]

And whats keeping ups from stopping right now, the forum is still open, I say we get some people together and just start RPing and go with it. I say to keep some continuity with teh old world say the World of GSTK has undergone a major disaster and the players are people who are comming out of hiding to rebuild everything. If people want to play the descendants of old characters they can just say you emerged from hiding in your family estates or they can play new people. Heck I want to go post right now the remants of the rody emerging from the forrests of Sherwood with what is left of the Wilson Familes retainers

Er.. what?

Sorry to point this out, but this sounds more like warhammer than gstk.

[Lucius Malfoy]

Er.. what?

Sorry to point this out, but this sounds more like warhammer than gstk.

I agree with M on that observation.

[Lord William]

In that case, you did post in the other thread that you can attract enough numbers. On one hand you speak of attracting numbers, on the other you mention that there is no large playerbase. Now that's a bit confusing.

Look, I may not have authority to say this (unless the Shed acknowledges otherwise) but I can tell one thing. The Shed, as was accused last time, has nothing against gstk or the veterans. There is irrefutable proof that the traditional gstk has failed to sustain itself for more than a few weeks. I am aware that so have most games. But then, there must be a damn good reason why this keeps happening with gstk, over and over again. That is the key to the problem. Pushing to revive the same thing time and time again might not achieve much. Even if revived again, there is again odds that it will fall when looking at the past data.

So, what you need to think is why should the Shed have Poach set it up again only to let it fall after some time? What can you offer on the table to ensure that all this effort will not go wasted, remembering very well that gstk has had the most leeway when compared to any game already.

1. you need way more people to run a game with multiple nations (40 players avg.) rather than a game that is only one nation (10 players avg.)
2. the fact that many people have tried to revive implies that there is a demand/interest in the game, sure it might fail acouple times but it is possible to succeed given the right timing.
3. the forum is already setup poach doesn't need to do anything asides from changing moderators

Er.. what?

Sorry to point this out, but this sounds more like warhammer than gstk.

I dont know what warhammer is but those things happened within GSTK

[Dark Storm]

In my view what doomed tne new restarts of GSTK was how ridgid and historical they were. Like in the god old days we had trunky the elephant for christ's sake, and the rufians who wanted to dominate europe who were like some semi demonic illuminati and I had a charecter that was a damned tatar who became an earl, then became marshal of the byzantine empire, then landed in spain to fight in a crusade running off with the byzantine emperors sister. And we had a king that assassinated every noble when he came to power and in the mid 1300s we had a 17th century navy.

Personally, GSTK is my favorite all time RPG. But I see the failure of the restarts due to two things, one, the more historical accuracy and stricture you have the less of that freewheeling pure awesomeness that was old school GSTK will be there.

2. We need lord flash back.

And whats keeping ups from stopping right now, the forum is still open, I say we get some people together and just start RPing and go with it. I say to keep some continuity with teh old world say the World of GSTK has undergone a major disaster and the players are people who are comming out of hiding to rebuild everything. If people want to play the descendants of old characters they can just say you emerged from hiding in your family estates or they can play new people. Heck I want to go post right now the remants of the rody emerging from the forrests of Sherwood with what is left of the Wilson Familes retainers

I actually love this idea xD

[René Artois]

In my view what doomed tne new restarts of GSTK was how ridgid and historical they were. Like in the god old days we had trunky the elephant for christ's sake, and the rufians who wanted to dominate europe who were like some semi demonic illuminati and I had a charecter that was a damned tatar who became an earl, then became marshal of the byzantine empire, then landed in spain to fight in a crusade running off with the byzantine emperors sister. And we had a king that assassinated every noble when he came to power and in the mid 1300s we had a 17th century navy.

Personally, GSTK is my favorite all time RPG. But I see the failure of the restarts due to two things, one, the more historical accuracy and stricture you have the less of that freewheeling pure awesomeness that was old school GSTK will be there.

2. We need lord flash back.

And whats keeping ups from stopping right now, the forum is still open, I say we get some people together and just start RPing and go with it. I say to keep some continuity with teh old world say the World of GSTK has undergone a major disaster and the players are people who are comming out of hiding to rebuild everything. If people want to play the descendants of old characters they can just say you emerged from hiding in your family estates or they can play new people. Heck I want to go post right now the remants of the rody emerging from the forrests of Sherwood with what is left of the Wilson Familes retainers

That's not all that unrealistic Ace. King Henry III had a pet polar bear. The Angevin kings were considered descended from the devil. Baybars the Mamluk Sultan of Egypt was a slave who came from what is now Ukraine.

There were loads of interesting characters in history at this time, you just need to draw your inspiration from the right place.

[Adamat]

Oh hell no.

[Ace_General]

Anyways guise, I say we just run with my idea, I get someone with me and I shall go to the GSTK threat and post the rody emerging from the woods and seeing what kind of adventures with peasent rebels and loyalists and hertics we can get into. Get back to the old day of snapping checks and cashing checks, Destroying wenches and being bros and going on crazy adventures and protecting England because its the only homeland we got because the Czar is a dick and the dirty dirty turks and tatar hordes.

Damn I just get exciting thinking about it. Playing as a band of solid east european warrior bros trying to keep it together and bring some humanity to a setting that I envision as a mix of the black death, the worst of the wars of religion, and the peasant's war

. People can enjoy their old characters and have some connection to the past if they want, or they can create entirely new characters and even if people wish to continue the past characters there is a new setting and environment and theres multiple angles for RP instead of the similar brown-nosing the higher ranking characters to climb up the political ladder and the occasional war.

Perhaps I could call it God Save England, GSE