AI has some trouble...

[High Fist]

... building roads.

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No faction has built higher than the first tier of roads, the only paved roads to be seen are in capital regions in the East. All other regions have either dirt roads, or, more often than not, no roads at all.

Also, Carthage had some trouble with rebellions in N. Africa, suggesting that they can't keep the public order in their cities.

[CatoTheYounger]

Leave it to the Romans to have to build everything!

[High Fist]

Leave it to the Romans to have to build everything!

And build we shall! But it'd be nice if they did some of the base work for me. :

[Zydrius]

The road issue has been here since at least 2.5... AI also sometimes has difficulties building ports. Maybe RS team made it for reason - to have better campaign balancing and prevent AI from building endless armies?

[ur-Lord Tedric]

It has got a lot better, I promise. In some of the tests they got quite good at it. It does take time, however, and it was 'best' when Trade had more priority (that was 'toned' down a bit more again in the latest iterations).

If you do a relatively slow (non-blitzing) 1-turn campaign you will see more roads eventually.

[Zydrius]

It has got a lot better, I promise. In some of the tests they got quite good at it. It does take time, however, and it was 'best' when Trade had more priority (that was 'toned' down a bit more again in the latest iterations).

If you do a relatively slow (non-blitzing) 1-turn campaign you will see more roads eventually.

Well, my roman 1-turn campaign is at 670 A.U.C., but AI barely build roads in it's provinces. I've already built highways in Italy, but newly conquered regions often even don't have simple roads.


In my campaign Carthage has taken the whole Iberia as far as Emporaie. It might be due to Alex.exe, as AI don't pay attention to naval invasions.

[Leeham991]

Isn't it technically accurate for good roads to be rare?

One of the things that made the Romans so powerful was that they built big roads to more easily get between cities.

[High Fist]

It has got a lot better, I promise. In some of the tests they got quite good at it. It does take time, however, and it was 'best' when Trade had more priority (that was 'toned' down a bit more again in the latest iterations).

If you do a relatively slow (non-blitzing) 1-turn campaign you will see more roads eventually.

I'm going fairly slow, taking my time building up the Roman provincial buildings everywhere. Carthago and soon Nova Carthago have got Campus Martius' built. I have paved roads in all but one or two of my provinces, I feel as though I have a major advantage over the AI. I mean, I have a dozen advantages over them, but this one is like a freebie.

Isn't it technically accurate for good roads to be rare?

One of the things that made the Romans so powerful was that they built big roads to more easily get between cities.

I suppose, but most of Greece hasn't even got dirt roads yet. Athens has paved roads, but only because they start there. I guess its kind of accurate, but maybe its too accurate?

Any reason you can think of for Carthage imploding with civil wars? Its pretty cool to see.

[dvk901]

Unfortunately, Carthage is the dumbest faction in RTW as far as I'm concerned. I'm thinking of giving all their regions to the 'Slave' faction (which is only marginally dumber), and create a new faction that knows how to be aggressive. You give Carthage money, ships, good units, whatever...all they do is sit there and sacrifice their children while the Gallaeci run over them.

But seriously, I'm way leaning towards scripting armies for these bozos, because they are just soooo dumb in campaigns!

[Achilles Lacedaemon]

Unfortunately, Carthage is the dumbest faction in RTW as far as I'm concerned. I'm thinking of giving all their regions to the 'Slave' faction (which is only marginally dumber), and create a new faction that knows how to be aggressive. You give Carthage money, ships, good units, whatever...all they do is sit there and sacrifice their children while the Gallaeci run over them.

But seriously, I'm way leaning towards scripting armies for these bozos, because they are just soooo dumb in campaigns!

XD I laughed at that!

[High Fist]

Unfortunately, Carthage is the dumbest faction in RTW as far as I'm concerned. I'm thinking of giving all their regions to the 'Slave' faction (which is only marginally dumber), and create a new faction that knows how to be aggressive. You give Carthage money, ships, good units, whatever...all they do is sit there and sacrifice their children while the Gallaeci run over them.

But seriously, I'm way leaning towards scripting armies for these bozos, because they are just soooo dumb in campaigns!

Might be best, they haven't really posed a significant threat really. They put up a decent defense but never went on the offensive, apart from Caralis and Pollentia.

Look at this, Carthage just got kicked out of Iberia. Not by me, not by the Gallaeci even!

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That full stack was garrison in there, with a governer and all. I had a spy there, but only the one - he couldn't have caused such a rebellion all by his lonesome.
Carthage is imploding with revolts. I'm gonna send in some spies and see what the story is in the 3 or so regions they have left.

[Archesel]

Unfortunately, Carthage is the dumbest faction in RTW as far as I'm concerned. I'm thinking of giving all their regions to the 'Slave' faction (which is only marginally dumber), and create a new faction that knows how to be aggressive. You give Carthage money, ships, good units, whatever...all they do is sit there and sacrifice their children while the Gallaeci run over them.

But seriously, I'm way leaning towards scripting armies for these bozos, because they are just soooo dumb in campaigns!

In my recent macedon campaign (2.6), Carthage conquered a great part of Iberia, and is pushing forward against the Gallaeci. But i must admit that in 2.5, they were pretty weak in the hands of the AI, losing their Italian possesions early in the games and later being invaded by Gallaeci: i remember a game when these Iberian even conquered half of north Africa! However i noticed that the Gallaeci are generally agressive against their neighbours, Carthage and Arverni. In a Carthaginian campaign i allied myself with Gallaeci, only to see them betray and besiege me several turns later! Is this Iberian agressivity partially responsible for Carthage unefficiency?

[dvk901]

Good, I'd appreciate seeing what the heck.

[High Fist]

So, we've got a plague in the 3 remaining Carthaginian cities. If rebellions don't kill them the plague will.

I have 2 spies going between the cities each turn and usually, one or two of the cities has public order below 70%. Which is stupid, because they put most of the garrison just outside the city.

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I'd suggest getting rid of the communal tribute buildings. You can get on grand without them and they really piss people off. The AI builds them despite the public order penalty. The tree could be used better for your future plans.

If there's anything in particular I should look for, just tell me. I'd be happy to help.

[dvk901]

I assume by 'communal tribute buildings' you mean the Tax buildings? Yeah, that building tree is probably going to be used for something else....or at the very least, I'll have to make the penalties specific to the faction played, and not the AI. Both Carthage and Seleucid had issues right from the beginning of our development of this mod because of the way their empires are so far flung. The 'distance from capital' issue hits them immediately simply because of the historical locations of their capitals, and we always walk a fine line between making them savagely powerful or too weak.

Also, so many cities with the plague suggests they aren't building the 'health buildings'. Is that so? I can't see any of them in those screens.

[High Fist]

Tax buildings, yeah. I never build them anyway, they're just there, ya know what I mean?

Not a single one, no. It must be squalor that's causing the revolts so.

[dvk901]

May be that the building conditionals are too strict for them...I'll have to look into that.

[tungri_centurio]

yea i like the idea of getting rid of the tax building,maybe change that to a mid tier treasury building,so if you take a capital they can build a new one.but not only for the AI. on the road topic,why not put dirtroads Always on the map?so the stupid AI can have that advantage for free

[High Fist]

on the road topic,why not put dirtroads Always on the map?so the stupid AI can have that advantage for free

That could work. I mean, barbarians didn't have to pay to build a hidden path did they? They formed over time with animals and humans travelling on them. And in the "civilised" orld, well, trade was already well under way. It'd make sense that dirt paths would be there anyway.

And for each campaign, the player's lands has no roads built, so they'll have to do it themselves.

[High Fist]

You're right, they do seem awfully expansionist for a small Iberian tribe. :

Has anyone seen them become one of the power houses?