So the reason everyone is so upset is because units throw torches?

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

So the reason everyone is so upset is because units throw torches? And that CA does not charge money for the DLC? Seriously? Is that the only flaw you could find in the whole game and you are acting all grumpy about it? Well I must say that some people always find little things to complain about, don't they?

Myself I wanted the option to diplomatically annex your client states, but am I because I did not get it? No I realize that CA is a company that needs to consider the preferences of a lot of people and that you therefore not always can get exactly what you want.

[Nikolaos_K]

So the reason everyone is so upset is because units throw torches? And that CA does not charge money for the DLC? Seriously? Is that the only flaw you could find in the whole game and you are acting all grumpy about it? Well I must say that some people always find little things to complain about, don't they?

Dear sir,

tell me you are not actually provking people to list you the HUNDREDS of things that are bad, bugged or non-existent in this piece of crap they sold us of 60 USD and now expect fm us to do the beta testing... pls tell me you are not seriously asking that

[Crymson]

The gig's up, kid. It's clear that you're an inveterate troll. Give it a rest and find a more productive, more mature use for your time.

I'll be disappointed if this thread isn't locked very quickly.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

The gig's up, kid. It's clear that you're an inveterate troll. Give it a rest and find a more productive, more mature use for your time.

I'll be disappointed if this thread isn't locked very quickly.

I think it is rather you who is the kid here and you certainly are acting like a very spoiled kid with all the whining you are doing. When I was a kid all we had to play with was sticks and spruce cones, so I really see nothing at all to whine about here.

2/10, but people will still fall for your bait.

Come on do something productive instead, list something that is wrong with the game instead of the usual either crying troll or saying "they made us play beta bohoo".

[Fallen Phalangite]

Come on do something productive instead, list something that is wrong with the game instead of the usual either crying troll or saying "they made us play beta bohoo".

tl;dr COME AT ME BRO

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

tl;dr COME AT ME BRO

Learn to write instead of using geeky internet acronyms perhaps? Did I hurt your pride or something?

[Fallen Phalangite]

Learn to write instead of using geeky internet acronyms perhaps? Did I hurt your pride or something?

"And that CA does not charge money for the DLC?"
"I don't play legendary since when I want a challenge I play MP as campaigns are for having a chill time in my oppinion"
"Money is not what the AI values the most."

geeky internet acronyms

You seem upset. Even moreso than people with legitimate issues with the game.

[Frost, colonel]

Come on do something productive instead, list something that is wrong with the game instead of the usual either crying troll or saying "they made us play beta bohoo".

I surrender, there's nothing wrong with it , it's beautiful in every way possible. I even love the bugs(woops sorry there aren't any). CA's best work ever I promise! I'll even tell all my best buddies to buy it.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

I surrender, there's nothing wrong with it , it's beautiful in every way possible. I even love the bugs(woops sorry there aren't any). CA's best work ever I promise! I'll even tell all my best buddies to buy it.

See, doesn't it feel good to realize that your grudge against the game was just a mental contraption?

[ChairmanCrassus]

See, doesn't it feel good to realize that your grudge against the game was just a mental contraption?

I Googled 'mental contraption' and I found this:

[ChairmanCrassus]

Yes the option to diplomatically annex your client states is a serious flaw and it should be added to the long list of GAMEPLAY problems with this game. Torches are also a gameplay problem because it practically negates the need for siege equipment and siege planning.

If you don't want to complain about the game, fine. If you have a problem with others complaining, not fine.

[Fallen Phalangite]

2/10, but people will still fall for your bait.

[Frost, colonel]

2/10, but people will still fall for your bait.

I'm gonna say I was terribly suspicious it was a wind up thread.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

I'm gonna say I was terribly suspicious it was a wind up thread.

You really should not trust a guy with just 60 posts.

Yes the option to diplomatically annex your client states is a serious flaw and it should be added to the long list of GAMEPLAY problems with this game. Torches are also a gameplay problem because it practically negates the need for siege equipment and siege planning.

If you don't want to complain about the game, fine. If you have a problem with others complaining, not fine.

Good I will make a list and sum it up to see if these things combined really are so bad.

[DividingSolid]

I'm more upset that the AI isn't capable of attacking a walled settlement. That and the lack of family trees and bugged marriages. I do like the game but I want these features back dammit.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

I'm more upset that the AI isn't capable of attacking a walled settlement. That and the lack of family trees and bugged marriages. I do like the game but I want these features back dammit.

Ok fair enough, that was at least constructive criticism. I am pretty sure there is a family tree, but CA chose to hide it for some reason.

[ChairmanCrassus]

Honestly I'd play Paradox games instead, but I can't get past the lousy UI.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

I meant it as being trapped in a certain illusionary way of thinking.

[ChairmanCrassus]

I was reading and I found this:

Well a reduction in number of agent types, techs and cities would be an improvement.

So your issue with the gameplay is that it is too complex, or just too complex in the wrong areas?

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

I was reading and I found this:

So your issue with the gameplay is that it is too complex, or just too complex in the wrong areas?

Having more techs, agents and cities does not make the game more complex, it just means you have to click more. It would in fact be more complex to just have one agent with all the functions, then you would actually have to make an active choice of what you wanted to do instead of just spamming abilities. Equally having more cities means less choices again as you can basicly build everything in all provinces and it just means more clicking. Having tons of techs doesn't really add much it just means that you have to open up the menu more often.