client states

**NerZhulen** · October 23, 2013, 01:39 PM

Anyone figured out how to get a client state through peaceful way?
Only thing you can bargain with is a payment, even if I offer large sum, the chance is still low.

**Dunadd** · October 23, 2013, 01:52 PM

No idea - i would guess being ridiculously more powerful than any other faction would be what would be most likely to get them to - but i don't know. I think i remember some people in other threads saying they had got the Seleucids to become their vassals and once they did the Seleucid client states all asked to become client states too.

**|Sith|Galvanized Iron** · October 23, 2013, 01:55 PM

It is very easy, sometimes you get it for free anyway. Money is not what the AI values the most, the best way is to offer a faction to join a war on their side in return for them becoming your client. Making Syracuse, Sparta and Athens into client states is extremely easy.

**karamazovmm** · October 23, 2013, 01:55 PM

its all about the money

**Heinz Guderian** · October 23, 2013, 02:31 PM

Sometimes when you become very strong, nations will ask to become your client state so they come under the umbrella of your protection. Once when i was Sparta ( i am pro player), some nation in Brittania asked me to become their protector. So did Egpyt before it was about to die.

**Americanus Supremus** · October 23, 2013, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian

Sometimes when you become very strong, nations will ask to become your client state so they come under the umbrella of your protection. Once when i was Sparta ( i am pro player), some nation in Brittania asked me to become their protector. So did Egpyt before it was about to die.

I would tend to agree here that its based on your military prowess, as they will be under your protection as a client state. Wouldn't want your master to be some panzy would you? I tend to attack anyone who asks for my protection because weakness can not be tolerated. Or is it because there is nothing else to do???

**NerZhulen** · October 23, 2013, 02:41 PM

Even if I offer a two city nation to join war against its 3 enemies, they do not want to become client state.
But maybe its because I play legendary. They simply do not go client state on legendary.

Or, I am still too small, My empire is in the middle of the third part, in the overview, perhaps it works only if you are in the last part.

**|Sith|Galvanized Iron** · October 23, 2013, 03:04 PM

Well it works for me, I don't play legendary since when I want a challenge I play MP as campaigns are for having a chill time in my oppinion, but still I am playing as the Junii and they got a negative modifer to relations so it should work for you guys too.

**NerZhulen** · October 23, 2013, 03:23 PM

Hmm, I like the strategy in the game.
Battles are only tactics, I usually autoresolve them. It actually makes your losses bigger, so the game is more fair.

**Vor** · October 23, 2013, 03:45 PM

Radious Total War Mod and Dresden's Sack, Liberation and Diplomatic Options do help a lot with AI diplomacy. Also lets you liberate nations, which is a great way to get them to like you and be your client, as factions that can't normally do that and have Satrapies which are far more useful than client states.

**Sete** · October 23, 2013, 04:07 PM

Last time i had a client they turned on me and attacked me...
Damn Cretans...
Now I kill them all.

**Riekopo** · October 23, 2013, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sete

Last time i had a client they turned on me and attacked me...
Damn Cretans...
Now I kill them all.

What movie is your signature from Sete?

**Langer Kerl** · October 23, 2013, 04:52 PM

I managed to do that once with Tylis very early in my campaign when I defeated their first army and took Macedon from them. They asked for peace (which hasnt happened again since), I countered with a client state offer, and they accepted. Currently the only way to get any treaties is to liberate, creating an ally (which I can only do thanks to Dresdens mod) or to subjugate - including Egypt, destroyed countless times, still at the verge of death thanks to various African tribes, only alive because I liberated them, relations +800 (!!!)... they canceled the alliance they had with me, the mightiest Empire there is (come on!?) and wouldnt accept anything after that. No treat, no non-agression-treaty, nothing.

I subjugated those selfish pricks, they are now my client and still we have +600 relations.

**Pinkie Pie** · October 23, 2013, 06:32 PM

A few have offered to be my client state without being at war with me and all were under these conditions.
1: They were under heavy attack and losing badly.
2: I was nearby and was stronger than their enemies.
3: I was not playing aggressively and didn't break any treaties.

**AngryTitusPullo** · October 24, 2013, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Pinkie Pie

A few have offered to be my client state without being at war with me and all were under these conditions.
1: They were under heavy attack and losing badly.
2: I was nearby and was stronger than their enemies.
3: I was not playing aggressively and didn't break any treaties.

I had a similar situation when playing Parthia (Satrapy in my case) where factions offered themselves to be under my protection after I have helped them with few battles against their enemy. It help to get it started from non-aggression pact > defensive alliance too.