Please, gentlemen, behave better.

[Prince Regent George]

Lately, I noticed that complaining about other members is considered rather trendy, so I decided to whine a bit, too.

As we all know, despite its disappointing state, Rome II has a couple of positive elements, which manage to make the game playable. Consequently, every healthy debate is welcome, but I am afrait that a great part of Rome's II supporters, by using inappropriate language becomes responsible for downgrading the quality of the conversations.

My point is that they tend to use emotionalism, instead of reasonable arguments, when they express their opinion.
Examples:

OMG! The game is awsome! I love every part of it!

Here, the member describes how amazing Rome II is, according to her/him, without explaining the reasons. Because of that, she/he only manages to cause tensions between the different groups.

The game is perfect and whoever disagrees is just a spoiled teenager.

Here, the member insults generally all the persons who share a different opinion of her/his. The results are even worse than those of the first example.

Are you reacting like this, because of a video-game?! What a pathetic atitude! Get a life!

Here, the member attempts to limit the importance of a laughable release, while, she/he simultaneously, insults the disappointed fans of the series, without providing anything valuable to the discussion and comprehending the contradiction of her/his post.

Cry, babies, cry! Your tears are delicious!/insert supposedly funny macro image/

Here, the member clearly insults the opposition, showing a sadistic pleasure and a tendancy to disruptive posting. In this case, the consequences are always pretty negative, since many members are tempted to answer, with an equally aggressive tone.

Most of the gamers enjoy the game. Don't listen to TWC; listen to the silent majority!

Here, the member, suffering from the Nixon syndrome, tries to distort the negative atmposphere after the release, by ignoring statistics and the fact that America disliked the Vietnam War. The aforementioned argument usually causes a couple of pages full of off-topic posts, where the other members try to convince Nixon's incarnation.

So, why don't we abandon these sneaky tactics and try to discuss politely with respect to each other?
Thanks,

P.S. Let me know if I omitted any specif attitude, also detrimental to the course of the debates, in order to include it, in the OP.

[Friedrich Barbarossa]

That's just one side of the coin, people who don't like Rome II show up with no arguments most of the time also. I'm so sick of people describing Rome II elaboretaly as some kind of feces for no reason.

[Dude with the Food]

You missed all the 'fanboy insultuers' of various forms. But yes, I agree with you, the conversational quality of TWC is falling. Or at least in this particular forum. There have been a number of times recently when I've typed out a reply to the thread and then thought, What's the point? It'll only be shouted down with irrational statements and insults.

[Ganossa]

This is the Rome II general discussion thread, please?

[Humble Warrior]

It`s the fallout from a game released in frankly, awful condition after being lied to, then while trying to get this message across to CA, being constantly harassed and told that `nothing`s wrong with the game`, `CA are perfect`, `they can`t change anything cos it`s a design decision`, `we want it to stay this way`, `CA are perfect innocent creatures we should give them MOAR money!`

Blame CA and the fanatical supporters who would have nothing change at all.

[krisslanza]

It`s the fallout from a game released in frankly, awful condition after being lied to, then while trying to get this message across to CA, being constantly harassed and told that `nothing`s wrong with the game`, `CA are perfect`, `they can`t change anything cos it`s a design decision`, `we want it to stay this way`, `CA are perfect innocent creatures we should give them MOAR money!`

Blame CA and the fanatical supporters who would have nothing change at all.

I know, rational arguments and calm thinking are pretty toxic to complainers.
I don't think many claim Rome 2 is PERFECT, but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. I'm pretty glad Rome 2 is what it is, instead of based in anyway on the historical mods, since most of them are just not worth it. Good features, coupled with a whole lot of annoying ones that don't make the game enjoyable at all.

[Swamidude]

It`s the fallout from a game released in frankly, awful condition after being lied to, then while trying to get this message across to CA, being constantly harassed and told that `nothing`s wrong with the game`, `CA are perfect`, `they can`t change anything cos it`s a design decision`, `we want it to stay this way`, `CA are perfect innocent creatures we should give them MOAR money!`

Blame CA and the fanatical supporters who would have nothing change at all.

I'm sorry, but I really like the game and it's one of the best games there is, I'm not saying CA is perfect or the game is perfect, but you really exaggerate everything, but you're allowed to have your own opinion. But in every thread you are hating and exaggerating how bad the game is, it's logical that you of all people get these reactions, because people treat you as you treat them. You're constantly saying that if someone doesn't agree with you that he's a fanboy and is sucking op to CA, because you can't possibly believe that somebody would actually like this game? I can't believe that you can possibly hate the game as much as you do and that you have actually liked Empire, Napoleon or Shogun II, because really they aren't that different apart form some minor things. The AI was never great vanilla, so why start about it now..

Somehow you think that you are trying to get a message across to CA, but if they haven't got it yet it's probably because they have you set on ignore, because you keep popping up with your message everywhere I look and I maybe read 5% of the posts here... If you really hate the game this much you should probably give up and look to the modders instead of CA. I like the game how it is, but I won't say that it doesn't need any improvement, but I already like it, so with improvements even more. But for people like you that just don't like it those inprovements will never be enough. They aren't going to change the game much, it's more about bugs and little tweaks. Small things might change like the political system, which could work better, but I don't expect the family tree back.

So really if some people stopped hating so much then there wouldn't be other people that start 'fanboying'. CA isn't perfect, but the total war series are giving me a lot of fun and Rome II also, it's an opinion and I think that with some patches and eventually mods it's really worth it. But if you really hate it at the moment, changes are great that you'll never like it and CA isn't going to make a whole new game just for you... I would say play another total war and come back when there are complete overhaul mods that really change big things and perhaps make the game more like the old games, I'm 100% sure that if it is possible such mod will be there eventually.

[Rittsy]

Some people like the game, some people hate it. Some people think it's been dumbed down, some think it's been streamlined. Some people blame CA, some people blame Sega. People generally get defensive because someone uses terms like 'real fans', 'total war veterans' etc. Which imply that liking/hating a game is not subjective and makes whoever posted the comment sound like they have a superiority complex.

I think we can all objectively agree the game has technical issues. The quality of the gameplay itself though is up to an individual. Everyone has an opinion, everyone's opinion is dumb but yours.

[krisslanza]

Some people like the game, some people hate it. Some people think it's been dumbed down, some think it's been streamlined. Some people blame CA, some people blame Sega. People generally get defensive because someone uses terms like 'real fans', 'total war veterans' etc. Which imply that liking/hating a game is not subjective and makes whoever posted the comment sound like they have a superiority complex.

I think we can all objectively agree the game has technical issues. The quality of the gameplay itself though is up to an individual. Everyone has an opinion, everyone's opinion is dumb but yours.

A very fine post here. I can agree wholeheartedly.

The game has technical issues - I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. The disagreements are all in the actual gameplay, where people's opinions all clash. The real thing that annoys me is when people try to pass their opinions off as factual. Or, as mentioned, when people use claims such as 'true total war veterans' or 'real fans' would support them.

[AlexCouceiro]

The real thing that annoys me is when people try to pass their opinions off as factual. Or, as mentioned, when people use claims such as 'true total war veterans' or 'real fans' would support them.

The real thing that annoys me is when people use fallacious claims, while frantically defending Rome 2, on subjects they really knowing nothing about. They will talk about how coding is done in Paradox's and Creative Assembly's games, stating how simple and easy one is compared to the other, and thus justifying Rome's multitude of problems, even though they've never programmed a thing and are, therefore, utterly ignorant on the topic. They will go on and criticize some of the Rome 1 and Medieval 2 overhaul mods without ever trying them. They will even go as far as publicly admitting it, which will all the same not stop them from thrashing those very same mods they've admittedly never played.

This is a peculiar world.

[krisslanza]

The real thing that annoys me is when people use fallacious claims, while frantically defending Rome 2, on subjects they really knowing nothing about. They will talk about how coding is done in Paradox's and Creative Assembly's games, stating how simple and easy one is compared to the other, and thus justifying Rome's multitude of problems, even though they've never programmed a thing and are, therefore, utterly ignorant on the topic. They will go on and criticize some of the Rome 1 and Medieval 2 overhaul mods without ever trying them. They will even go as far as publicly admitting it, which will all the same not stop them from thrashing those very same mods they've admittedly never played. This is a peculiar world.

It's pretty strange that people are supposed to try things they don't like, and don't have to play it because mods helpfully outline everything they include - and they already see a bunch of stuff they don't want. It's so bizzare how this is such a difficult concept to grasp - much like that fire projectiles aren't magic.

[Crymson]

The real thing that annoys me is when people use fallacious claims, while frantically defending Rome 2, on subjects they really knowing nothing about. They will talk about how coding is done in Paradox's and Creative Assembly's games, stating how simple and easy one is compared to the other, and thus justifying Rome's multitude of problems, even though they've never programmed a thing and are, therefore, utterly ignorant on the topic. They will go on and criticize some of the Rome 1 and Medieval 2 overhaul mods without ever trying them. They will even go as far as publicly admitting it, which will all the same not stop them from thrashing those very same mods they've admittedly never played.

This is a peculiar world.

Agreed.

This is an example of a person who is always whining, for Arrogant Warrior it is always raining. Even if the game was released in a perfect state he would find something to nag about.

Unfortunately people like the example above lack substantial arguements for why they think the game is bad.

Ah, so your strategy for defending the game is to label Humble Warrior as inveterate whiner, claiming that, oh, he'll whine about everything and never be satisfied, so nothing he says should be taken seriously. Congratulations: your behavior justifies the OP's efforts.

By the way, I've been playing Total War since 2001, and I detest this game also. I think it's a piece of junk made so by the developer's intolerable laziness and lack of diligence. Does that make me a senseless complainer also?

I mean if we look at the facts the game is really working great, there are a few minor issues yes but guys like these cry as if CA had murdered their family and urinated in their faces, that simply is not the case. The campaign works, the map is pretty, the diplomacy is really good, it is awesome with such a living world full of factions, the only serious issue is that the game is prone to crashing a lot and it is very taxing on the system but those are technical issues and not the fault of the design.

Oh, OK... those are the facts, eh? End of story, I guess; thanks for stopping by this discussion forum to tell us how things really are. I suppose you'll be off now to bring about world peace and unite the world under a single religion.

So you know, the textbook word for your behavior is narcissism.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

So you know, the textbook word for your behavior is narcissism.

Just because I know better and got the right oppinions does not make me a narcissist, it is just a symptom of my better taste and higher intelligence.

[Ataegina]

so OP what you're saying is who is polite insult toward those who are positive and say "hey you're positive you're a moron, you should behave like who are negative". you find frequently who tries to be positive or start a new thread on educated manner, being lynched by the "righteous angry mob" and turn something constructive into witch-hunt. so why not post some example of the other side of who negative-haters respond to people wich are positive? if not this thread is somewhat one-sided/cynical... sorry but thats true! "ooooooooooh you're a blind fanboy" , "he must be CA employee", "he is stupid and have XX syndrome", "i don't believe who pathetic this people are!" ............... so you see being positive here is deadly.

[Garensterz]

I reinstalled the original Rome (with EB) recently, everything just clears up and found out that Rome 2 will never be the "dream game" that we wanted to be. The game really lacks half of the features in rome 1, so modding it could be really impossible to make it epic again (Lets hope the RTR team does the job).

Rome 2 became like a point and shoot kind of game or doing things repeatedly in a short cycle, because when I'm playing rome 2 it's like; build an army, capture the settlement, build structures and repeat, and the game will get boring after a few turns. Unlike in Rome 1, there's really huge varieties of things to do.

If you really want some more answers, I'm suggesting you to just play Rome 1 again with overhaul mods and see the answers for yourself.

[craziii]

well, the game is rather popular a few million sales does this, imagine when TW games reach the 10 mil mark.

[karamazovmm]

well, the game is rather popular a few million sales does this, imagine when TW games reach the 10 mil mark.

given the inability of the game to not leave the top seller list, I bet its going to be before xmas

oh wait, today its on the 12th position, according to VG chartz we just need 3 more people to buy it to come back to the 10th at least

[Takizama]

well, the game is rather popular a few million sales does this, imagine when TW games reach the 10 mil mark.

I guess those mislead preorders people did don't mean anything for this rigged statistic.

[craziii]

I guess those mislead preorders people did don't mean anything for this rigged statistic.

most of us pre order because of the greek dlc, and the belief that CA would never mess up rome 2, it is practically their flag ship game atm.

the nomads pack would push ppl who are on the fence of buying it to buy it. if you have a sandy bridge cpu of 2500k or better, the game should perform very nicely post patch 4. gpu doesn't matter much, I think even a 560ti can max it if you have a good enough cpu. the game is playable right now in patch 4. with the right mods n tweaks, it is enjoyable. I don't really mind the missing family tree when I can change the game to start with 12 turns per year I can role play my generals again. they just need to get rid of the mouse over for info UI to make me happy. restrictive campaign map will never be change of that I am sure. it is too big of a game part and I am just one lonely voice on the forums.

even with all that, the game is playable atm.

buy it and get the free dlc if you don't have rome 2 yet. it is the right time.

[rayzzz]

Prince Regent George,

I think your thread just backfired and turned into a mudpit for all that you pointed out to occur.

That escalated quickly.

Also, how come you didn't mention the other side of the story? or was that intentional?