Repeating Praetorian Cloak Effect?

[Dude with the Food]

Hi.

I'm work on a recolouring mod and I've found some units have particular colour schemes instead of following the faction scheme. For example, in vanilla the Carthaginian Sacred Band have white shields and blue/purple tunics. The Praetorians have purple cloaks and the usual Roman reds for tunics/shields.

However, if they weren't on the list then some of the cloaks would be red while some shields/tunics purple and so on. I'm looking for the file that gives all the Praetorians purple cloaks. Or all the Sacred Band shields white. Without it, I can create special colours for elite units but not give them a proper uniform.

I know the Germanic Night Raiders have the colours affecting the trousers like normal so there is no template that applies to all the units with specific colours, but can't find where that is. Any help is appreciated, thanks.

[Aodh Mor]

unit_variants_colours_tables in data_rome2

[Dude with the Food]

Thanks but that's what I've got to. In their I've added the Bronze Shield Pikemen with a purple/black/yellow theme. Those three colours are spread out over shield details and tunics rather than one colour being only used for all shield details. It doesn't matter though because I've found a way around it.

[playker]

could you explain it to us, please?

[Dude with the Food]

Well, a normal unit has three colours, for example blue, red and yellow. If blue is the primary colour then it will appear on more things in general while AFAIK, the other 2 appear roughly equally in a ratio of 4:1:1. (I think. If not it's close to that.) That means that on a normal unit of 120 men with the only areas affected by these colours being tunic, shield and cloak:
80 men have blue shields.
80 men have blue tunics.
80 men have blue cloaks.
20 have red shields.
20 have red tunics.
20 have red cloaks.
20 have yellow shields.
20 have yellow tunics.
20 have yellow cloaks.

As you can see, the colours will appear like that generally over all a factions units. In the file I've been using that Aodh Mor mentioned there I'll bring up 2 examples.

Night Hunters:
80 have black shields.
80 have black trousers.
20 have brown shields.
20 have brown trousers.
20 have red shields.
20 have red trousers.

Praetorian Guard:
80 have red shields.
80 have red tunics.
120 have purple cloaks.
40 have dark red shields.
40 have dark red tunics.

All of these are based on the assumption that the unit has 120 and the ratio above stands. The values may be closer 60/30/30 or be affected by some degree of variation but all of the Praetorian cloaks are purple and no Praetorian shields or tunics are purple. In the same file, the Night Raiders are affected normally.

I think this might be down to the model of the cloaks having some factor only allowing them to be affected by secondary colours because I don't think any of the post-marian Roman units seem to be affected by the yellow. If this is true does anyone know whether the colours affecting themodel are in the actual model file or located somewhere else?

[Dude with the Food]

I ran a test with Praetorian Guard in normal cloaks but Praetorians in Oathsworn cloaks. The Guard acted as usual, mainly red shields/tunics with some dark red and all purple cloaks. The normal Praetorians had red/dark red shields/tunics but a mix of red/dark red/purple cloaks.

The specific colouring is obviously to do with the individual models which narrows it down but is it in the actual model or somewhere else?

[playker]

Check this table: unit_variants_colours_tables

[Regoso]

Any way to get this to work for Officers

[Demokritos]

Any way to get this to work for Officers

It's doable. Here's an example of the Spartan king in a uniform different from all other officers of Sparta and his Royal Spartans...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You'll see more of this in my upcoming ACR2 mod.

All you have to do is to add a special entry for the unit in question in the unit_variants_colours table but set it to "officer" instead of "soldier" in the "soldier_type" column. That's the way it worked for Shogun 2, too. I wouldn't be surprised if you put "standard_bearer" in that column instead you could get individual colours for the standard bearer as well, just like in Shogun 2.

[...]Those three colours are spread out over shield details and tunics rather than one colour being only used for all shield details. It doesn't matter though because I've found a way around it.

What way around it?

[Dude with the Food]

What way around it?

No way of getting it to work in general, just so I'm happy with the Bronze Shields.

[Regoso]

Thanks this should help me and playker alot on ower Spartan mods

[playker]

you have to add mask at the end of the line, for example:
<VARIANT_MESH model="VariantMeshes/_VariantModels/man/cloak/celtic_chieftain_cloak/celtic_chieftain_cloak_armour.rigid_model_v2" imposter_model="VariantMeshes/_VariantModels/man/cloak/celtic_cloak/celtic_cloak_1.rigid_model_v2" mask1="1" mask0="0" />
mask 1 is for the 1st faction colour, mask 0 for the 2nd and mask 2 for the 3rd, I think. At least mask 1 is for the first colour, I'm not sure about the other 2

[S.V.K.]

A little question in the same way; how can I remove the cloak completely? A.e. from a unit like the preatorians?

[Regoso]

A little question in the same way; how can I remove the cloak completely? A.e. from a unit like the preatorians?

variantmeshes > variantmeshdefinitions > insert unit name > right click on unit > open > Open as text > delete the stuff under <SLOT name="cloaks"

example:

<SLOT name="cloaks" >
<VARIANT_MESH_REFERENCE definition="VariantMeshes/_VariantModels/man/cloak/hellenic_companion_cloaks_2.VariantMeshDefinition" />
</SLOT>
<SLOT name="greaves" >

that is what it might look like sep for with more entries the greaves line is just to note the beginning of the next armour slot

this is what it will look like after
<SLOT name="cloaks" />
<SLOT name="greaves" >

not the adding of the "/" at the end of cloaks line and the removal of the </SLOT>

hope that helps

[S.V.K.]

Ahhh... jap, that helps a lot^^ Thx.

[DESN01]

Hi guys,

I saw you talked about the three colours of a faction and adding mask to assign them.
Playker, could you explain it in more details?

For example I would like to assign my third faction colour to the outline of the shields and I can't figure it out