Is There Hope For Rome 2's Future

[stackero]

This was a post but decided it needed to be a thread. Unless a mod thinks different.


I look down and I've read most of the threads below and I have very great doubts about the future of Rome 2 as a fully complete game.
I only listed the threads to illustrate my point, not expecting to have people commenting on everyone.

So please, if you like, give you're opinions on why I should be hopeful for the future of Rome 2.

I will not challenge or debate anyone's replies, assuming you don't get insulting.

That's not to say some may disagree with your replies.

To be fair. I only went back a few days of threads in the event some thread is no longer valid.

I'm not throwing rocks at people who like Rome 2. I don't hate Rome 2 nor those who enjoy it.

I want to reinstall and play it too, but for me its way underdeveloped and without a soul. My opinion.
And please, lets try not to turn this into; my game is better than yours. I've been there did that. Stay on target.


THREADS Sticky: Official TW: Rome II Complaint Thread

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I give up!
I can't trade as Sparta
Can CA recover from Rome 2 ?
Total biscuit talks about CA
Warning! Don't download the new Patch 5!
Game Not Starting After Recent Update
Navies: I just don't get it. What am I missing?
Is this normal??
Some mods are not working after the patch
Diplomacy bug and Battle AI
I will not pre-order again Pact Thread
Units charging are ignoring the pikes of phalanx!
Can not enable any mod after patch 5
Pike on Pike combat stooged again?
Are cavalry and elephants broken?
Patch 5 erased my mods
game crash after each patch update
God Where Is DarthMod When You Need Him?
Mods not working at all for me.
For those who preordered Rome II
Transport ships and how to continue to insist on a failed feature.Why not recognize a blunder?
Poll: How many are still playing RTWII?
Dear Ca, battles in forced march stances didn't need stupid flags, neither does needs ambushes..
Gameplay issues that MUST be fixed

[spiderknight]

For me i cant really put my finger on whats wrong with the game, but its just not as good as previous titles. The patches seem to be making it into a better game but they still haven't fixed the poor game play decisions. (or lack of game play) On the odd chance that down the road they decide to listen to their fan base and add in former features like family trees and a better trait/general system then i think there is still a little hope. I'm really interested to see where they go with dlc/expansions. One would hope these might be better but I'm not gonna hold my breath. Given the state of this game i cant think of a next total war title that i would want to buy. Rome was it for me. The disappointing release kinda ruined looking forward to the next one. buuuut hey its just a game right?

[Tsarsies]

I think there is still hope for Rome 2. And this is why:

1. MODDING: With more info regarding modding tools to be released soon this in itself is reason for hope. the Modding community have always lifted each TW title above and beyond the vanilla version(s) of the game. This forum has many talented individuals and the scope of current mods available (i feel) is just a taste of what is to come... Early days yet...

2. PATCHES: The fact that CA are patching the game often and for the foreseeable future, is a sign for hope. Regardless if people believe whether or not CA can deliver us the game that the majority here were hoping for, the game IS making small improvements each week (Even if it seems like a small step back in some other area).

3. DLC: Although, some DLC will feel like a slap in the face, as many will believe it should have been included in the core game (such as the greek states). I can only believe that some very nice additions to the game will be released given enough time. This is not to say that features that many feel are missing (Family Tree etc) will be released as DLC, but one can hope. But here, i return to the modding aspect. Individuals on this forum have always come to the table with small and large overhauls of the core game, that have made significant improvements and added features otherwise not seen in the core game(s). - This is not to say that many will be happy to pay for DLC which they feel should otherwise be free (That is an issue in and of itself).

I understand many people have had issues with the game, as have I. Graphically, and in relation to hardware specs, i have not had any issues what so ever. For me, the only thing stopping me from playing the game currently is the AI and the diplomacy bug.

The AI has always been terrible in all TW games (including most modded versions of the AI - It's an improvement, sure, but the core AI is just terrible). But once again, with better modding tools and info, this community will once again make the game a challenge.

So, I for one, have hope yet...

[BigHairyMelon]

I don't think Rome 2 will ever be the game I wanted it to be with the warscape engine, even forgetting all the bugs and lack of features I just don't think the current engine is good enough to cover the formation fighting used by the Romans and Hellenic factions. It was well suited for empire with it's firearms and shogun 2 with the individual samurai combat but not for a Roman setting. On the campaign side of things there are not enough features to keep me interested for too long. Turn times take way too long even with an SSD and the lack of simple things like a family tree or even members of a family sharing the name of the family they are supposed to be in completely destroys immersion for me. There are many more issues I have with the game that I hope get sorted out in the remaining patches.

I share spiderknight's opinion that previous titles were better, I just cannot compel myself to play the game at all, unlike all other total wars where I never struggled to sit down and continue a campaign.

[GnaReffotsirk]

Given the choice, whether to rule a corrupt and failing empire; or to challenge the fates for another throw - a better throw - against one's destiny... what was a king to do? But does one even truly have a choice? One can only match, move by move, the machinations of fate... and thus defy the tyrannous stars.

Most ironic of all, was the last gift that Raziel had given me. More powerful than the sword that now held his soul, more acute even than the vision that his sacrifice had accorded me. The first, bitter taste of that terrible illusion: hope.

-Kain


Seriously though, there is. But how far will CA go for Rome II is a question yet to be answered. And it has become a little complicated.

So, here's the deal. There might be some improvements, but I doubt we'll get the perfect ROME II we've all been asking for. But I'm no prophet. Enjoy the game as it stands, I suppose, and let live.

The principle is simple, and that we can only have as much as we can mod and as much as CA is willing to add.

Let's take a wait and see attitude this time, cross our fingers and hope for the best. We can only listen to what CA spews out, but we can never remove the doubt anymore.

But if I am to be playing this game only because there's something good coming, then I'm playing in a dream. The game isn't fun. It looks nice, but it's not fun. It's flat. It has the depth of Plants vs Zombies, and it has a lot of crazy things we can complain about. It's cheap, and doesn't quite tickle the brain that much.

Regardless, I still play with it once in a while. Candy-crush it to burn some time and get a bit of fix. But that's it. Hope is for the powerless, and if the powerful has proven untrustworthy, it is never an option.

CA Forum Surfer: "Hey, sir, this feature looks nice. They want it in the game."
CA Director: "DLC!"
CA Programmer: "But Sir, we'd have to recompile and rebuild the engine for that!"
CA Director: "Medieval 3!"

[Deathcake]

Steam statistic:
Rome 2
Last played: 18/09/13

That says it all for me. I cannot believe it's a new total war game (set during the fantastic Rome period) that I am not all over like a rash, but there you have it. It's just not an interesting game to me.
I'm at the stage of waiting 6 months for mods in hope that it makes the game, you know, fun and enjoyable and worthy of the time investment. For me, it is currently not even close. I just do not have fun playing it. It's more of a chore for me than a fun diversion from a hard days work.

I think the best hope (perhaps only hope for me) is in mods, like Tsarsies says.

[Jonoleth Irenicus]

Will the game become playable ?

Probably yes via patching, DLC and Mods.

Will it become fun & interesting ?

Probably not, the underlying design has created something that is simply too shallow. There is nothing that really grabs you and keeps you wanting to play on.

All a bit disappointing, hopefully they do it better on the next title (which will not be pre-ordered !!!).

[Takizama]

The way this game was made their is "hope for rome 2" In this life or the next. Over time Rome will become a better game and with 5 years or more it will keep being perfected. So their is hope. The game is really to shallow, but I found out ways to make it interesting. One is to roleplay the game hardcore and to have a reasion of why this general is going to war and etc. Make a personal biography for each of my generals and units and their storys. It isnt in the game defaulty but If applied with your immingation it makes the game a lot more deep. Also I try not to achieve the best possible army in the game. I try to go and try new things out and different stragities.

P.S: I'm to tired to spellcheck this.

[krisslanza]

Probably depends on your viewpoint. Will Rome 2 ever turn out like one of those famous Rome 1 mods? Probably not. Those are mods after all, and it's a bit silly to expect CA is going to base their game upon something played by maybe a few hundred thousand people, instead of millions. Will Rome 2 get the bugs smoothed out? Certainly. Is it still a good game? Of course. But really, only time is going to tell how Rome 2 will turn out. I noticed it dipped to 11th place in the top seller chart, but it's back up to 10th today... so I'd say financially, it's looking good. If you want something entirely different though, you're going to either have to wait until the next Total War, or wait for some team of modders to rip the guts out and rearrange them.

[smilydude]

I don't think so. Sure, you can iron out the bugs, but I'm not sure about the core design decisions that make this game such a boring chore for me to play. There's just no gameplay there. There's not much for me to do on the campaign map except paint the map my color without a challenge. The tactical battles feel the most shallow they ever have, and units are unresponsive making it not only boring but frustrating at the same time.

At this point I'm just exhausted. After 2 months and 5 patches that haven't changed the game significantly, with only vague assurances from CA that I suspect will develop in to nothing drastic. Downloading dozens of mods from our wonderful community that can only do so much, I'm tired of it. I would rather be playing a game that has some meat and substance to it in the first place than hoping this can turn in to something alright.

[Shawn1066]

Of course there is. It's a solid game at the best of things. With patches, DLCs, and Mods it will be a great game. It's already a very good game. I do think some of the negativity against it is a little overblown. It's nowhere near as poor as Empire was at launch and that ended up being a great game as well. On top of that, I personally had many more problems with Shogun 2 when it first launched and it ended up being one of my favorite entries in the series. I see nothing wrong with the game that is not fixable.

[Jihada]

I didn't like it at at first. However, I've played many hours now ,all the default factions plus quite a few minor factions (with the factions playable mod ,always 2tpy with Radious' mod) on vh but only finished 2 campaigns . It's got some bugs but with my system on extreme it looks amazing with the modded reskins ,shields etc. It can only get better but who am I to speak, my favourite game was Empire TW ,when fully patched with Darthmod and a ton of reskins. Most people hated that one too.

[Huberto]

Good thread. I liked the smart observation that mo-cap is likely dictating the poor direction of roman era combat in TW. Also liked the comments about how the future of TW looks to be more console-friendly than ever, in spite of our wishes for more complexity, larger battles and fully functional mod support.

It's analogous in some ways to Microsoft's chasing the i -pad with Windows 8 and imposing its metro interface on everyone even though most of us just want something functional for our keyboard and mouse oriented desktop, like Windows 7.

Anyway, CA/SEGA has a plan and it doesn't involve folks like us. Boo hoo!

[krisslanza]

Good thread. I liked the smart observation that mo-cap is likely dictating the poor direction of roman era combat in TW. Also liked the comments about how the future of TW looks to be more console-friendly than ever, in spite of our wishes for more complexity, larger battles and fully functional mod support.

It's analogous in some ways to Microsoft's chasing the i -pad with Windows 8 and imposing its metro interface on everyone even though most of us just want something functional for our keyboard and mouse oriented desktop, like Windows 7.

Anyway, CA/SEGA has a plan and it doesn't involve folks like us. Boo hoo!

I don't see how Rome 2 is in anyway looking like a console game. Having played Halo Wars, Rome 2 is still too complex to really play with a controller given the lack of keys, and a mouse to click buttons. I guess you could do it, but it'd be pretty sloppy on a console because there's still too many battle commands to access.

[Raining Red]

For me, there are a few disappointments (sieges being the main one), but if they can be taken care of I think the potential is great. For the first time ever in any TW I feel like I am in an actual war. In every other TW (including mods), wars consisted of 1) declaration of war, 2) Kill army after after and decimate everything in your path. The difficulty main came in terms of how many armies they could throw at you and if you could keep your casualties to a minimum in each battle. In my Athens campaign, I don't know why or how, but I'm actually having a back and forth war with the Cimmerian empire for control over the black sea. It has lasted a good 50 turns and we both still have a chance. It's simply something I have never seen before in TW and I am fascinated.

[AngryTitusPullo]

There is hope because I feel that Baktria will be playable at some point base on tables found in Patch 5. Probably comes with paid Iberian Culture Pack DLC though.

[karamazovmm]

There is hope because I feel that Baktria will be playable at some point base on tables found in Patch 5. Probably comes with paid Iberian Culture Pack DLC though.

i like your hope on baktria


I for one would say there is hope, because I can eat ice cream. if there is hope for you its an entirely another matter.

[Fallen Phalangite]

Even if all the AI, graphical, and even start-up issues were ironed out and fixed to perfection, it still wouldn't be enough to 'save' Rome 2 (not that it needs saving, at least in the developers eyes. CA have made a cashcow out of the TW franchise, and that's all they really care for. They can sell games just on the name).

The only thing that could save Rome 2 would be an entire revamping of the core vanilla gameplay mechanics in order to actually make it fun. There's really nothing new in Rome 2 that is worth mentioning; it's just plain boring and lacks life. Hell would be more likely to freeze over than to actually see this happen, so I'm not holding my breath waiting for it.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

I dont get it? I can also dig through the subforum and find threads which proves otherwise.

And these threads is About some opinions about missing features and present features.
I can't trade as Sparta
Navies: I just don't get it. What am I missing?
Some mods are not working after the patch
Can not enable any mod after patch 5
God Where Is DarthMod When You Need Him?
Mods not working at all for me.
Transport ships and how to continue to insist on a failed feature.Why not recognize a blunder?
Dear Ca, battles in forced march stances didn't need stupid flags, neither does needs ambushes..
Gameplay issues that MUST be fixed

[RGA]

They will probably release a new game which is basically a polished version of Rome 2 with most of bugs squashed, like the case of NTW after the debacle named ETW. The question is what they have always been asking: How far would you go for Rome