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    And people say Islam is radical.

    http://www.cinemablend.com/reviews/Jesus-Camp-1816.html

    Now see, that's the kind of thing that makes me fear for the future. Thoughts, opinions, rants?
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    Ahhh....radical extermist Christians....that sounds so 1640s

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    Just wait 5 minutes untill someone posts a video of a terrorist training camp, i assure you it'l happen if the right people read this thread...


    get it? RIGHT people? oh its useless...

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    The review seemed biased in the first place but I bet if I watched it I would have problems with what I would see. Some people are more aggressive when it comes to religion and some others aren't. I tend to not be so aggressive myself.

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    Freaky....if someone walked upto me and told me I would burn in hell they wouldn't walk away....these kids need a dose of reality...and their parents need a dose of jail time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristocrat
    Freaky....if someone walked upto me and told me I would burn in hell they wouldn't walk away....these kids need a dose of reality...and their parents need a dose of jail time.
    Yeah, I can't see that being an effective way of converting people. Like I said, too aggressive.

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    "I want to see young people who are as commited to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the Gospel as they are over in Pakistan and Israel and Palestine....because....we have the truth."
    That isn't a bad statement. I've heard that in a lot of different churches. It is a very bold and powerful statement. I actually like that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Rahl
    That isn't a bad statement. I've heard that in a lot of different churches. It is a very bold and powerful statement. I actually like that one.
    You might like it, but, it directly contradicts many of the "pro-Christian-anti-Islam" arguments I've read here at TWC. :hmmm:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honor&Glory
    You might like it, but, it directly contradicts many of the "pro-Christian-anti-Islam" arguments I've read here at TWC. :hmmm:

    It doesn't contradict it until people start chanting 'WAR WAR WAR' which, scarily/funnily enough, the people in the documentary did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdh
    It doesn't contradict it until people start chanting 'WAR WAR WAR' which, scarily/funnily enough, the people in the documentary did.
    Yes, that was quite interesting indeed.

    However, if you watch the trailer and the other clips, you'll notice that the woman who says that line is basically saying that she wants Christian kids to act like the Muslims kids who are radicalized and brainwashed into terrorism over in some parts of the Middle East. In other words, she wants Christian kids to become violent in the name of Jesus and Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honor&Glory
    You might like it, but, it directly contradicts many of the "pro-Christian-anti-Islam" arguments I've read here at TWC. :hmmm:
    It really doesn't. It isn't challenging Christianity vs. Islam. It is challenging the faith of the kids at the camp related to the faith of Muslim children (which I'm guessing in this context is very high).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Rahl
    It really doesn't. It isn't challenging Christianity vs. Islam. It is challenging the faith of the kids at the camp related to the faith of Muslim children (which I'm guessing in this context is very high).
    The point is that they are basically doing the same thing as Islamic radicals/extremists/terrorists.

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    http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

    Well, I watched the trailer. Some interesting lines:

    "How many of you want to be those who would give up their lives for Jesus?"

    "We're being trained to be God's Army."

    "This means war! This means war!"



    From one of the clips:

    "I want to see young people who are as commited to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the Gospel as they are over in Pakistan and Israel and Palestine....because....we have the truth."


    True Christians? :hmmm:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honor&Glory
    Some quotes from the video:
    "How many of you want to be those who would give up their lives for Jesus?"

    "We're being trained to be God's Army."

    "This means war! This means war!"


    "I want to see young people who are as commited to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the Gospel as they are over in Pakistan and Israel and Palestine....because....we have the truth."
    Wow. You know, you could substitute only a few words in, and it would really sound like something said at a Nazi Party rally.
    Like so (subbed words italicized):
    "We're being trained to be the Fuhrer's Army."

    "I want to see young people who are as commited to the cause of Adolf Hitler as the young people are to the cause of Bolshevism. I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the Aryan Race as they are over in France and Poland and Russia....because....we have the truth."

    A bit scary, ain't it? :hmmm:

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian

    "I want to see young people who are as commited to the cause of Adolf Hitler as the young people are to the cause of Bolshevism. I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the Aryan Race as they are over in France and Poland and Russia....because....we have the truth."
    ... A lot of Polish, French and Russians were actually Aryan race...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987
    ... A lot of Polish, French and Russians were actually Aryan race...
    Well, the aryans are actually the Iranians, since "aryan" comes from Persian, meaning "noble". The point of that was the illustrate that the rhetoric in this "Jesus Camp" is not too different from National Socialist rhetoric, just with a different set of enemies and a different book. They have the same belligerency and empassioned anger within thier speechery. I find it frightening and appalling.

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    Guys, can we stop a second, maybe because its 2 am but -

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=0yxnyq9Lh...elated&search=

    I dont get it..
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    So, are we going to see things being blown up and people being killed by these folks? Does this mean that mainstream Christians get their knickers in a twist when a newspaper in Iran portrays Jesus as a hippy and start burning Egyptian embassies?

    How on earth can people still believe, that at present, Islam is somehow equally aggressive with Christianity? It requires a lot of denial and a lot of intellectual dishonesty. But hey, its the right thing to think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian
    Say it with me now: Vive L'Canada!
    I doubt thats far enough, hopefully by the time these guys become the majority we'll have a colony on Mars or somethng.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corporal_Hicks
    I'd love to see you radically banned from ever posting again for such sick and insensitive comments.
    I believe that's a quote from someone in the movie:

    Quote Originally Posted by Honor&Glory
    http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

    Well, I watched the trailer. Some interesting lines:

    "How many of you want to be those who would give up their lives for Jesus?"

    "We're being trained to be God's Army."

    "This means war! This means war!"



    From one of the clips:

    "I want to see young people who are as commited to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the Gospel as they are over in Pakistan and Israel and Palestine....because....we have the truth."


    True Christians? :hmmm:

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    http://youtube.com/watch?v=y_EKHK1C2IE here's the trailer, from the youtube clips ive seen its looks pretty creepy but hey! at least the kids today have something to do.
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