Unit heights in patch 5

**Achilles Lacedaemon** · October 19, 2013, 03:39 PM

Seems like CA have added some kind of height variant in the units for patch 5, now some men look like they are giants compared to other in the same unit, and when you do an Hoplite phalanx ( for example ) when the soldiers lock their shields, you can notice that some shields are way bigger than others and some other shields are tiny, because of this variant you can notice the difference in the equipment, and it does look really ugly and disturbing. If you dont have understand what I mean, I will upload some pics to show you in the future.

( look at the size between shields )

As you can see some soldiers have little shields and size compared to others...

**LaytonsCat** · October 19, 2013, 04:35 PM

That does look rather odd... Its much more obvious in the first screenshot, but the taller man also has the advantage of perspective in it

**archone** · October 19, 2013, 04:38 PM

That's cool, the shield thing is a little weird but making the individual soldiers look more realistic is awesome

**Riekopo** · October 19, 2013, 05:35 PM

I wonder if CA is just using a scale slider and increasing the size of the the entire soldier. There has been pointed out a ridiculous looking barbarian gigantism problem.

**Achilles Lacedaemon** · October 19, 2013, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by blackberryalpha

I wonder if CA is just using a scale slider and increasing the size of the the entire soldier. There has been pointed out a ridiculous looking barbarian gigantism problem.

Pretty much this...

I hope some modders may fix it ( as that all the game issues were always the modders who have fixed it right ) because I cant see my Spartans to look like this, cant fight a single battle, its ugly!

**Langer Kerl** · October 19, 2013, 05:41 PM

This really does look ridiculous. Some height variation for soldiers in a unit is fine, however weapons and shields should always have the same size.

**vietanh797** · October 19, 2013, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Langer Kerl

This really does look ridiculous. Some height variation for soldiers in a unit is fine, however weapons and shields should always have the same size.

historically no. It is quite rare to found 2 weapons or shield have exactly the same size back then, it have a range of size but it doesn't have the same size

**Langer Kerl** · October 19, 2013, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by vietanh797

historically no. It is quite rare to found 2 weapons or shield have exactly the same size back then, it have a range of size but it doesn't have the same size

Well of course you are right there, I should have been more specific. For example Hoplite shields need to have a certain size to work the way they were intended, which is to give cover to the man nex to the wielder as well. Just as Sarissas need to have a certain lenght and spears shouldnt be shorter (or longer) than a certain lenght as well to remain useful.

A tiny shield in a shield wall or a phalanx is pretty stupid, and if only small men wield smaller weapons (and shields) this contributes to that ugly "downscaled" look on those screenshots.

**Yayattasa** · October 19, 2013, 06:31 PM

I already thought the Attack on Titan-esque barbarians were rubbish, and now CA adds THIS?

**BroskiDerpman** · October 19, 2013, 07:06 PM

It looks awkward because of how it's always the short guy with the small shield and spear. It's like having two extremes imo.

Imo it also looks weird in how it is just a downsize of the whole soldier.

Aesthetics wise from my pov the units now look weird, aesthetics as a whole I prefer Shogun 2's and Napoleon's. Especially how cinematic NTW's textures and shaders looked. (A cool thing was how the textures were blurred in a way that the units all looked like oil paintings)

**jamreal18** · October 19, 2013, 09:40 PM

I hope it to be fixed in upcoming patches...

**Swerg** · October 19, 2013, 11:56 PM

CA isn't using a slider, they just have two sizes of soldier. Scrawny Mediterranean Puny Men and Glorious Barbarian Ubermensch.

**TheCenturion24** · October 20, 2013, 01:57 AM

A bit of variation in unit heights isn't necessarily bad, but that's ridiculous. Spartan units seemed to be far taller than Roman units before though anyway, I'm not sure if I'm the only one with that issue. Equipment should be the same size, or darn similar. Realism is one thing, but there are certain things that should be left for modders so that it can suit an individuals taste...

**FireElemental** · October 20, 2013, 02:26 AM

Just edit unit_variants_tables.

**Lord Mongsworth** · October 20, 2013, 03:00 AM

Amazing how people who can create something as brilliant as the Total War serious can be such utter idiots. This is like the 10th thing I've seen that patch 5 has screwed up...

**JohntheKern** · October 20, 2013, 05:18 AM

I noticed this yesterday,one of my standard bearers looked like a hobbit!
Its beyond ridiculous, its not even a realistic variation! Its just an extension of the barbarian issue. It needs to be fixed by CA.

**vietanh797** · October 20, 2013, 06:47 AM

well they just go a bit overboard with the scaling. It ís easy to fix or mod, and to be honest that is a matter of personal taste so don't blame it on CA. Personally I not really think it ís a problem. They should focus on AI instead of something like this.