Do Motherboards come with built in processers?

**Tate1234** · September 20, 2006, 11:30 AM

Like the topic says i have no idea cause i want to buy the motherboard but i cant buy a new processer at the same time and my old processer doesnt have the same socket type.

**Lusted** · September 20, 2006, 11:37 AM

No. Mobos and cpus come seperately.

**Korvash** · September 20, 2006, 11:37 AM

No they don't, either get a mobo with the same socket as your old processor or safe some more money up. I think the last option would be better since you can then buy 2 pieces of quality equipment

**Tate1234** · September 20, 2006, 11:47 AM

well that sucks cause im very broke i was depending on money from my mom and it was hard enough to get her to pay for the mobo so i guess i have to wait forever then my stuff i want to buy will be extremely outdated.

**L`zard** · September 21, 2006, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Tate1234

well that sucks cause im very broke i was depending on money from my mom and it was hard enough to get her to pay for the mobo so i guess i have to wait forever then my stuff i want to buy will be extremely outdated.

Not neccesarily so........depending on your existing CPU, eh? (how 'bout telling us, eh? might have some tips..)

In some instances, a mobo upgrade can actually be quite beneficial due to new chip-sets, especially as some older CPU's can be 'overclocked' on a newer mobo, where there was no opportunity for such on the original set-up, even with the same socket type.

Note that this will require that you learn to build/mod your present system, but you can learn for free, and sometimes just the new bios for the upgraded mobo give considerable advantage, eh?

I often do this with my second-tier machines in order to extend the life of a given processor.

If your careful, and do all the pertainent research, you should have both some fun, and a better box for very little money, without blowing anything up, while you learn things that will serve you well in later days!

Good luck, eh!

**Shaun** · September 20, 2006, 11:46 AM

No, but they do however come with built in sound (which is all you really need unless you have really great hearing) and built in graphics (which are really sucky and cannot be relied upon to play games with)

**Erik** · September 21, 2006, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Shaun

No, but they do however come with built in sound (which is all you really need unless you have really great hearing)

Not true.
A seperate (good quality) sound card is often a great asset because:

1) most build-in sound chips can't produce real-time surround sound, which means games wil be in stereo instead of surround.
2) good sound cards produce MUCH better sound effects, the difference is realy noticable even if your half-deaf.
3) built-in sound chips do most of their processing on the CPU, so installing a good sound card can improve framerates.

I used to rely on the AC'97 sound chip on my mobo.
But then I bought a creative Audigy 2 and it made a HUGE difference in RTW, especially the sound of cavalry charging trough my living room is amazing.

About the original question:
Modern PC's all have detatchable CPU's, sold seperately from the mobo's.
But that's a good thing as it allows you to replace your CPU.
You even get to keep your old CPU's as a trophy, I still have my very first Pentium MMX.

Why do you want to buy a new mobo anyways?

**Tate1234** · September 23, 2006, 12:38 AM

Well i wanted to buy a new mobo because i wanted a new processer and graphics card and also my mobo i have now doesnt support pci express x16 so i have to upgrade but im most likely gunna buy a new comp now.

Because its too hard to put in a new mobo i have no knowledge of such things even after reading manuals.

**Lee1026** · September 23, 2006, 01:00 AM

Well, some notebook CPUs are soldered to the motherboard. But I don't think those are sold by themselves, so the point is moot. Rumors have it that some VIA C7 is soldered to the motherboard, but I have never actually saw one of those bloody things for sale, so the point is also moot.

How big is your budget, anyway?

1) most build-in sound chips can't produce real-time surround sound, which means games wil be in stereo instead of surround.

News to me. What kind of chipset do you have? The Nvidia Nforce 3 250GB can produce real-time surround sound.

2) good sound cards produce MUCH better sound effects, the difference is realy noticable even if your half-deaf.

Unless if you got 10 dollar speakers. But I fail to tell the difference bewteen them and my uncle's setup (he is a audio engineer), so I suspect that point is also moot.

3) built-in sound chips do most of their processing on the CPU, so installing a good sound card can improve framerates.

What, 3% of the CPU time? Considering that you can get a much better CPU for the price of a sound card, that is a bit silly.

**General Sun** · September 23, 2006, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Lee1026

What, 3% of the CPU time? Considering that you can get a much better CPU for the price of a sound card, that is a bit silly.

I don't have hard numbers to back it up, but I must disagree. Sound cards have made a huge difference for me in games such as Oblivion and Doom.

**Erik** · September 23, 2006, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Lee1026

News to me. What kind of chipset do you have? The Nvidia Nforce 3 250GB can produce real-time surround sound.

A very old one: KT333.
But it's audio chip is an ac'97 codec, and that was pretty standard until 2004.

What kind of audio chip does the nForce3 have?
Do you have EAX audio in games?

Unless if you got 10 dollar speakers. But I fail to tell the difference bewteen them and my uncle's setup (he is a audio engineer), so I suspect that point is also moot.

If you have 10 dollar speakers then you can still hear the difference.
Hell, I can tell the difference with my $2 earphones.

It's not about noise or anything, it's about sound EFFECT that require processing power (such as EAX and CMSS2), processing power that is not available to integrated soundchips.
Why do you think those cards are so expensive?
The Creative X-Fi has more audio processing power than a Pentium 4.

What, 3% of the CPU time? Considering that you can get a much better CPU for the price of a sound card, that is a bit silly.

$25 isn't much for a 3% increase in CPU power.

Originally Posted by Tate1234

Well i wanted to buy a new mobo because i wanted a new processer and graphics card and also my mobo i have now doesnt support pci express x16 so i have to upgrade but im most likely gunna buy a new comp now.

A new mobo+cpu+graphics(+RAM+powersupply, probably) is practically a new computer anyways.
But you can still canabalize some components like your DVD-drive and harddisk from your old computer to save money.

Originally Posted by Tate1234

I dont have a budget im 16 im mooching the money off my mom well more like credit i guess it freaks me out to put in a new motherboard cause i know ill screw up everything.

Building a computer isn't that hard.
All you need to do is click or screw all components together, it's like LEGO's.
It's dummy proof too, because components wil only fit in one way, but you should still read your mobo's manual.
You won't screw it up if you read the manuals, and it's a realy satisfying thing to build your own computer and after the first time you won't be scared to build or upgrade.
If you know somebody with experience you could do it together.

**krazykarl** · September 21, 2006, 05:19 PM

certian chips do not have sockets and come soldered onto the motherboard, nothing 'normal' should be setup this way, the only ones I recall were 286,386 and via c3 chips

**krazykarl** · September 23, 2006, 09:48 AM

The benifit of the soundcard is most noticable when using 3d positional audio (ie EAX) even a cheap ($50) sound card was able to produce much clearer and less choppy sound then my onboard. I still have issues with my onboard RAID controller eating clock cycles on me.

**Tate1234** · September 23, 2006, 12:53 PM

I dont have a budget im 16 im mooching the money off my mom well more like credit i guess it freaks me out to put in a new motherboard cause i know ill screw up everything.