Scotland rewritten: thorn i a side of England or a Europewide empire

[Giurza]

I just thought over my choice to play english first and ame to a conclusion that I won't. I am most definitely playing Scotts.
now I would like to share some thoughts about any possible future strategy concerning my future game.
1. make an alliance with France, since England will be an obvious enemy No 1
to achieve this I will spare no means, all my redheared princesses, all best diplomats will travel to the France ASAP
2. capture Ireland, thus creating a safehouse in a case of sudden or unexpected english invasion. I guess you are now laughing your pants off since we know that Ai is not that strong to be actually able to wipe one out, but I like to be on the safe side.
3. simultaniously to the second paragraph I will try to occupyi York, which should be rebel as we can see from early screens.
4. York and Edinbourgh to be castles and provide emediate support (unterstutzung) for my invading parties.
5. Ireland and Northern Scotland to be cities to fill my purse and enable me with a somewhat better army when I try to tackle England.
6. building priorities as always... trade trade and population growth... If I succeed in taking york this will be the place where I will build most of my army bound for England
7. an estimated time for invasion is about 10 turns from the beggining of the game
8. an immediate target - London. simply put to strike the very heart of English and capture their only city, thus rendering the whole 'Longshank's' empire pennyless (well maybe not that drastic but you get my point). most critical is consolidation of this new conquest!
9. if this is succesful then remaining english destruction will be a piece of cake! having defeated the english I will keep my alliance with France (if this is even possible bearing in mind RTW's diplomacy, but this remains to be seen) in order to have my back safe.
10. I will set out to conquer Lithuania, and hopefully will try to do some crusade against it so spare some time and money on it.
11. next objective is quite obvious and will begin already at the paragraph 1, build a navy!

so much so far... any suggestions, contradictions, help or anything
go ahead

[Pelican Man]

well, I say go for the lithuanians too. IT would be very beneficial, because you could start a small empire in the east, plus expanding in the west would be good too. Since being allied to france, fight ZE Germans with them (pending on the alliance holding up... maybe we will actually see many, many more allied battles) and battle them off while you take over in the east. Build up a nice navy like you said, and the rest, well, good luck with the battles! = )

THE P-MAN

[Kanfoosh]

What exactly makes you so sure that England will actually wait 10 turns for you to attack when they are superior in every way?

[Giurza]

What exactly makes you so sure that England will actually wait 10 turns for you to attack when they are superior in every way?

well I actually predict that they WILL attack, but it should be somewhat reluctant, since they will be restrained from attacking a catholic nation, but I hope (tactical abilities) to beat them off with the existing army while building myself a new one. :hmmm:

[Kanfoosh]

Odds are they will defeat your current army and take your city before the pope says a thing

[Sitarus Originalus PM-30+]

i think England will not be in war with france from begining... so... i think they will try to take the isnad first so you wont have such an easy work as you may think. I know that as England i would take the whole island first which mean kill scots! after that search new targets on continent. Also ... if i am correct a chatolic faction wont be popular with Pope if it attacks another chatolic faction so both england and france are chatolic... take a guess... schotland is not!!!! ... i think Schotland wont have eazy campain. I may be wrong anyway =)

[Giurza]

it is a turbulent time... if i will be defeated... oh well that would be God's will
he he he

[Little Legionaire]

it is a turbulent time... if i will be defeated... oh well that would be God's will
he he he

Invade the York first! then march upon London as fast as you can. Don't give any chance to English to bring their reinforcements from France. Use their splitted force disadvantage for your advantage and use your max tactical capacity for a final impact. If the god wills it you change the London's name to McLondon. :tooth:

[Pelican Man]

Invade the York first! then march upon London as fast as you can. Don't give any chance to English to bring their reinforcements from France. Use their splitted force disadvantage for your advantage and use your max tactical capacity for a final impact. If the god wills it you change the London's name to McLondon. :tooth:

hahahahaha "McLondon".... wow. that will keep a smile on my face all day.

That would be a nice blitz tactic. But if the AI is still stupid, then defending against them should not be tooooo hard. :hmmm:

THE P-MAN

[Pavlik the Rus]

Playing Scotland? I don't know :hmmm: . There allmost quarantined strugle with England. I don't like such quaranties. But Giurza you forgot-what about danes as normans in the game? York is norman word. And if AI in THIS time will not be absolutly stupid, they will try to occupy it

[Giurza]

Invade the York first! then march upon London as fast as you can. Don't give any chance to English to bring their reinforcements from France. Use their splitted force disadvantage for your advantage and use your max tactical capacity for a final impact. If the god wills it you change the London's name to McLondon. :tooth:

dratt it man, I love your sense of humor...
but to the more serious matter, so you avdise me not to take York and Ireland simultaneuously? you have some common sense in it... hmmm lets sum up on this one

operation 'Ireland+York'
+
if one succeeds, there are two provinces to gain
a safehouse is acquired as stated above
extra money from sacking Dublin
better economic prerequisites before charging on to London

-
force splitting (Ireland garrison, York garrison)
bigger initial casualties (no matter how good I will be I will suffer some while assaulting Dublin and York)
bigger chanse of failing one of these two sieges ... or even both (though quite unlikely)
diversion of part of the force to Ireland leads to weakened south border.

operation 'York'
+
massed army bulk which is capable of continuing an advance on London directly after capture of York
smaller casualties from the beggining
followin military maxim 'fight united'
engaging English in a VERY early stage

-
engaging English with a weak initial army
if defeated at London I will not be able to retaliate, and also I will be open to attack and ALSO I will most probably not be able to take Ireland

so as far as I see it both plans has some good advantages while main disadvantages beeing
operation 'Ireland-York' - splitting of the forces
operation 'York' complete disaster if London siege fails
thus first case beeing an operation in a style of Monty (Montgomery)
second case in a style of Erwin Rommel...
clear choice... (me beeing a worshiper of generalfelmarschal Rommel)

[Little Legionaire]

Make a Blitz upon English. You need to get some risk but it worths to result. Don't split your forces coz if you overrun the London it makes a disastrous effect on fish and chips addicts :tooth: They loose their capital, center and key position in Britain soils. It's a strategic target. Stab your dagger deep into your enemies heart.

If you waste time with Ireland you miss your great chance to catch weak English. If they unify their forces you'll face with powerful English. It comes similar to me Hitlers false decision Kiev or Moscow. Don't come late to your party.

[Valerius Maximus]

scotland could offer an interesting campaign, but as said it will all depend on the AI. If it is the same as in rtw it wont be much of a problem to defeat the english. If there are significant improvements to the AI and depending on the starting strength of the english army, you could be in for a good fight...which is what we all want from a campaign

[Darsh]

an alliance against English is always the best thing .
In my game with France I'll make an eternal alliance with Scotland and Help them to Invade England.

[TenkiSoratoti]

I wonder why everyone wants to invade and kill the English. A few reasons spring to mind but I won't bring them up here.

[Little Legionaire]

I wonder why everyone wants to invade and kill the English. A few reasons spring to mind but I won't bring them up here.

You missunderstand our point. This was a TW style humour only. If i speak for myself i have no problem with Englishmens. Due to our job i've met with many English people. We've done many jobs together and i can say it fairly they were most nice people known by me among the other foreigners. I have no special hatred for English or anybodyelse. So, why don't you join the party and tease us with your opposite sneaky plans

[DeeGamer]

I would actually like to be the english and conquer the rest of the uk and then france.......and im scottish!

[Boudicca]

I would actually like to be the english and conquer the rest of the uk and then france.......and im scottish!

Shame on you....sounds like the Highlanders are bit down to lowland standards those days. But your approach is rather the "classical" way to get things going as england.

Now what about extending possesions in France at first. I love that one two. The AI in Medieval I was never quite up to it.

[Little Legionaire]

If i choose a faction among British it'd be Scotts I don't know exactly but i've got much more sympathy for them may be due to their Celtic & Pictish origins. :hmmm: Scott vs English competiton for me from several reasons seems like Gauls vs Romans. I usually (not always) hold the defenders side and hate tea with milk. This a disgrace! tea must drink with only sugar. Only for this reason i'll gather my armies and make allience with French, marry with HRE, date with Spain and invade England :tooth:

[Matty_P]

sounds interesting.

i don't have a strategy lined up fro Poland when i play it, but i'll let everyone know about it come november! good luck with scotland, man!