WOW!!!! is all I can say....

[rexof345]

Sorry all, hit the wrong key.. To CA. So after almost 120 hours of gameplay here are some of my and moans as well as positives on Rome 2. First I will start with the positives. I like the new tactical map, I sort of like the way the UI incorporates the 40+ units in battle.. I kind of like the new political system but I think it could have used way more depth... The graphics are nice (so pretty) lol. However all in all the reason I finally had enough and had to vent is because I just spent over 1 hour on a battle that was supposed to last 20 minutes. That's right I had the battle time limit set to 20 minutes and because of the terrible siege AI bugs that plague this game I spent over an hour on this battle. I could have literally watched it on PowerPoint faster than it took place. Even on ultra low settings... I think its an issue with boiling oil at the gates but I am not sure... All I had was maybe 10 units defending against over 40. I have played 40 vs 40 in open fields and on the sea and never had a problem other than when it rains.. And now another gripe (lol) for some reason I can't start a new paragraph when I hit the enter key.... SO annoying.... So for all of you that read the rest of this post my thanks in advance... lol... So after several beers a good deal of crown I have managed to play through 120 hours of this horrible excuse for a total war game... Question has anyone had any luck getting a refund from steam, sega, or CA yet? I would have been happier playing a mod of Medieval 2 than this POS. I mean I gave it a chance and probably will continue to try it... Though I have less enthusiasm for this game than any other ever, but its Rome and supposedly a total war game... lol... So other things I find that I dislike about the game. While I like the million and 1 factions at the start of the game (lot of options) trying to complete all the bonus objectives is to me literally a complete failure. I spent several days planning each move carefully so I could take all of Gaul, Seleucid, Pontus, and part of Britain. All were owned by multiple factions... (The AI just does not expand enough in my opinion). I ended up completing the main objective but not the bonus ones because some rogue army of Pictones decided it would be a good idea to partake in mass suicide against a well garrisoned Provincial capital with 20 units of Calvary behind the gates... What a hell of a plan that turned out to be... lol.. So I supposedly eliminated the Pictones faction and thus (even when the objectives state I must capture their last remaining settlement) I exceeded the number of vanquished factions. The gripes are numerous, the pros I can almost count on 1 hand. I mean what happened to the original senate missions in Rome 1... Hay you complete you get a price you don't there are consequences.. And don't even get me started on the cities and the building structure. Let alone the recruitment. I spent like 60 bucks on this game and let me tell you I will never buy another CA/Sega product again until its in the bargain bin... CA should have listened. They did not. They should have had senior moders from this forum beta test the game for months prior to its release. Again they did not. So sad to see a game that I have relished over for a decade come to this. All I can hope is that the mods finally get their hands on this games source code, and turn it into something beautiful. CA you should be ashamed of yourselves. I went to college and majored in various aspects of classical and military history because of the original Rome. I enjoyed the game the period of history and the knowledge that much. Now you release this joke. If I had the time and money I would attempt to buy the rights to Total War and hire some of the mods on this forum to help develop and continue the Total War legacy. Because obviously the people up there in the office could give a less about what we want (a well thought out, well balanced, insightful, knowledgeable, strategically challenging, piece of art). Something that would have raised the Total War bar instead of taking it lowering it and then saying piss on it and chucking that bar out the window of 78 story building. . What the hell is this world coming too???!! People need to wake up. WOW is all I can say. Sincerely a very very irate consumer...

[Praetorian349]

If I had the time and money I would attempt to buy the rights to Total War and hire some of the mods on this forum to help develop and continue the Total War legacy.

And it would be bloody awful. The game developers make the basis and bulk of the game, the modders polish.

Do you really think that qualifies them to make the game from the ground up?

[rexof345]

And it would be bloody awful. The game developers make the basis and bulk of the game, the modders polish.

Do you really think that qualifies them to make the game from the ground up?

I believe you missed the keyword "help". But even so I do believe some of the modders here could possibly even produce a better quality product from the ground up. Some of these folks have real talent. Not saying the developers at CA don't. But as the evidience proves the execs have taken that talent and thrown it out the window. Money money money is the bottom line not artistic creativity such as we can find with some of the mods...

[Praetorian349]

I believe you missed the keyword "help". But even so I do believe some of the modders here could possibly even produce a better quality product from the ground up. Some of these folks have real talent. Not saying the developers at CA don't. But as the evidience proves the execs have taken that talent and thrown it out the window. Money money money is the bottom line not artistic creativity such as we can find with some of the mods...

You are correct in that I missed that, apologies.

I shall still maintain, though, that a professional game developer would usually (not all the time) have more experience and know-how than most modders. Most game devs have plenty of talent as well, and they must be passionate about their work to seek out the profession.

[Americanus Supremus]

You are correct in that I missed that, apologies.

I shall still maintain, though, that a professional game developer would usually (not all the time) have more experience and know-how than most modders. Most game devs have plenty of talent as well, and they must be passionate about their work to seek out the profession.

Ummm I guess you have never played any Darth Total War mods. He was a mod here for a long time, now he is creating his own game from the ground up. If some of the modders were given the source code they would, not a single doubt in my mind, max out the engine made by CA in ways CA has never and will never. Mods have single handedly saved this series for me since Empire. And right now with RTW2 the game would be UNBEARABLE without mods. The game is literally a shell of what it should be, much less what it could be.

[Praetorian349]

Ummm I guess you have never played any Darth Total War mods. He was a mod here for a long time, now he is creating his own game from the ground up.

most modders

Mods have single handedly saved this series for me since Empire. And right now with RTW2 the game would be UNBEARABLE without mods.

I have not used a mod since Third Age for Medieval or SPQR for Rome 1. I have played ETW for 150 hours, Shogun 2 for 150 hours and Rome 2 for 250 hours with no mods and have loved every minute of it. The games are fine. They aren't 100% fantastic but they aren't broken either.

I did just try some Rome 2 unit reskins and unit adding mods but I see no need for overhaul mods or gameplay changers like Radious.

[Szlachta]

Ummm I guess you have never played any Darth Total War mods. He was a mod here for a long time, now he is creating his own game from the ground up. If some of the modders were given the source code they would, not a single doubt in my mind, max out the engine made by CA in ways CA has never and will never. Mods have single handedly saved this series for me since Empire. And right now with RTW2 the game would be UNBEARABLE without mods. The game is literally a shell of what it should be, much less what it could be.

Darth compiled other peoples work and did tweaks. Which is why when he tried to get a job at CA, they laughed at him and he pouted and quit modding. Plus, all Darth Mod mods did was just make easier games even easier.

[alhoon]

I believe you missed the keyword "help". But even so I do believe some of the modders here could possibly even produce a better quality product from the ground up. Some of these folks have real talent. Not saying the developers at CA don't. But as the evidience proves the execs have taken that talent and thrown it out the window. Money money money is the bottom line not artistic creativity such as we can find with some of the mods...

Darth Vader is making his own game.

[Moody]

And it would be bloody awful. The game developers make the basis and bulk of the game, the modders polish.

Do you really think that qualifies them to make the game from the ground up?

Some have - Darth is in the middle of making his own game right now...

[AlyssaFaden]

Can someone give me the TL/DR version of that wall of text. I've tried getting through it twice now and my eyes ended up bleeding both times.

[GnaReffotsirk]

Modders would be better placed in-between technical (programmers) and designers. As consultants more than anything. But everyone has different levels of imagination. In a closed environment, even in an open one, modders have to choose who to cater to. There are some things that can't be in the middle.

This is the catch. Modders can suggest or introduce features which would give the community power to change by themselves and get what they want.

[Jihada]

I'm sure you're right in your comments on the vanilla Rome 2 but I 've played with mods since week one. Radious mod plus many other tweaks and faction retextures. Imo this has improved the game considerably and today I've played my Epirus vh campaign non stop. I'm sure the modders could produce their own game but where does the money come from ? Good luck to Darth with his game,looking forward to that.

[Strattios]

I think that the leadership at CA just isn't quite as in it anymore. Most of the new features are really just rehashed old features. They seem content to just turn out games that lack innovation if they think R2 is a finished game. They need to do a new era that forces new ideas. Even the new Politics system is simply a culmination of previous features.

[GnaReffotsirk]

I'm seeing a new column though for shields. Jack says it is for chance to block missiles. I've been looking forward to this moment when a TW game has %chance to block shields. So, it's a +rep for them. At least, they're adding stuff in.

But I'd like them to add different types of formation states though than just the crowd one we have.

[Haematopoesis]

Well. Kinda sad that after so many years I am following TWC my first post in this forum is gonna be like that: I think we've all heard enough about how bad Rome 2 is. Everyone who actually played it long enough is disappointed. I can totally understand most of the complaints. But what I don't get is the fact, that everyone and his/her grandmother thinks this community wants to be part of their personal frustration with specific or not so specific game related problems. Since the realse of Rome 2 there are almost no new threads in this forum which wouldn't claim that TWR2 is the worst experience the specific OP ever had in his/her life (which to begin with is sad as well). I don't know if you guys can't think about anything else at the moment but to discuss about the world's ending CA has obviously brought upon you by realising a game that can't give you what it has promised. But I'd be glad if these terrible whine threads would just ... stop. Just to make this clear: I bought the pre-order edition of Rome 2 as well as many other people. I am disappointed as well as almost anyone else. I am playing TW games since the very beginning (Shogun, yes. I didn't jump on the train when Rome was realesed. I was already on it.). And I will propably stick to it. After all Rome 2 isn't that of a bad game. It's not what we've been promised but besides of the most severe bugs it is still kind of a good game, which CAN be enjoyed. Combined with mods it actually is and near to that what we've been promised. Yeah well whatever. I guess what I am trying to say is this: Keep calm and stop being whiny little morons who post over and over and over again the same complaints people posted weeks before them and stop these pathetic fanatical rampages. It annoys people. At least me.

[Crymson]

The original Rome had its problems and its list of gameplay components that were hardcoded and thus could not be touched. We were able to make some very good mods anyhow. Rome II has even more problems than its predecessor, and its tally of untouchable parts is much, much larger. Don't expect any fabulous mods; this game is limited in the same way as Empire, Napoleon, and Shogun 2. That is why RTW and M2TW have a bunch of brilliant mods, whereas all of the games following them have none.

[vietanh797]

for the sake of god and repect from all modders Rome 2 is way more modable compare to Rome 1. Stop saying stupid things like Rome 2 modding is limited

[dvk901]

I really don't think that 'modders' would necessarily take a game and code it and do the job better than CA. Seriously, I think a lot of people miss an important point here. People like myself modded RTW because:

a) it was easily moddable.
b) the normal guy with a bit of editing skills could do it.
c) it was fun, and by and large, a lot of people appreciated what you did.
d) Or, you could mod your own game to whatever you liked, and derive a lot of enjoyment out of that.

Modding teams, like RS2, took literally years of research and personal time to mod RTW into what it has become now...joined by EB, RTR, SPQR, TATW and others. Each in its own right a brilliant piece of work.....all done for free, and just for love of the game. None of us did this for accolades, money or necessarily for credit....we just did it because we liked it.

That being the motivation of most modders, we don't want to BUILD games...we want to be able to change and refine them. So all CA would've had to do was create an engine where this could be done, or create the tools so that it COULD be done, and people would've been happier than ever. And, it would've helped a LOT if CA had just looked at the most popular mods for RTW and done there best not necessarily to copy or replicate content, but to make it easily possible to ADD that content. Afterall, RTW was\is still as popular as it is because of the mods for it.

Here, I feel CA 'missed the boat', or sank it, or just didn't bother to buy a ticket. Modders can, and would certainly be willing to do their part, but CA needed to do THEIR part....produce a more modern RTW with all the features that people have begged for for years, enhance the AI, a nicer environment, better diplomacy, more faction and unit slots, and the like. 'Some' of these things they did, but by and large they fail miserably with the AI, which is dumber than a brick and stupider than it was in RTW. And, they removed some of the essential parts of RTW that people really enjoyed in favor of the 'I want to win in one day' types who don't want to be bothered with managing anything or reading or immersing themselves in the game. Then, they added things, like multiple ways to 'win', that I don't recall anyone ever asking for. Maybe that's cool, maybe not. But I just feel that they did their part producing a game that 'worked'. It was poorly tested and excecuted, and hyped way beyond what it really is.

[Bethencourt]

I really don't think that 'modders' would necessarily take a game and code it and do the job better than CA. Seriously, I think a lot of people miss an important point here. People like myself modded RTW because:

a) it was easily moddable.
b) the normal guy with a bit of editing skills could do it.
c) it was fun, and by and large, a lot of people appreciated what you did.
d) Or, you could mod your own game to whatever you liked, and derive a lot of enjoyment out of that.

Modding teams, like RS2, took literally years of research and personal time to mod RTW into what it has become now...joined by EB, RTR, SPQR, TATW and others. Each in its own right a brilliant piece of work.....all done for free, and just for love of the game. None of us did this for accolades, money or necessarily for credit....we just did it because we liked it.

That being the motivation of most modders, we don't want to BUILD games...we want to be able to change and refine them. So all CA would've had to do was create an engine where this could be done, or create the tools so that it COULD be done, and people would've been happier than ever. And, it would've helped a LOT if CA had just looked at the most popular mods for RTW and done there best not necessarily to copy or replicate content, but to make it easily possible to ADD that content. Afterall, RTW was\is still as popular as it is because of the mods for it.

Here, I feel CA 'missed the boat', or sank it, or just didn't bother to buy a ticket. Modders can, and would certainly be willing to do their part, but CA needed to do THEIR part....produce a more modern RTW with all the features that people have begged for for years, enhance the AI, a nicer environment, better diplomacy, more faction and unit slots, and the like. 'Some' of these things they did, but by and large they fail miserably with the AI, which is dumber than a brick and stupider than it was in RTW. And, they removed some of the essential parts of RTW that people really enjoyed in favor of the 'I want to win in one day' types who don't want to be bothered with managing anything or reading or immersing themselves in the game. Then, they added things, like multiple ways to 'win', that I don't recall anyone ever asking for. Maybe that's cool, maybe not. But I just feel that they did their part producing a game that 'worked'. It was poorly tested and excecuted, and hyped way beyond what it really is.

Exactly this.

[dvk901]

I really don't think that 'modders' would necessarily take a game and code it and do the job better than CA. Seriously, I think a lot of people miss an important point here. People like myself modded RTW because:

a) it was easily moddable.
b) the normal guy with a bit of editing skills could do it.
c) it was fun, and by and large, a lot of people appreciated what you did.
d) Or, you could mod your own game to whatever you liked, and derive a lot of enjoyment out of that.

Modding teams, like RS2, took literally years of research and personal time to mod RTW into what it has become now...joined by EB, RTR, SPQR, TATW and others. Each in its own right a brilliant piece of work.....all done for free, and just for love of the game. None of us did this for accolades, money or necessarily for credit....we just did it because we liked it.

That being the motivation of most modders, we don't want to BUILD games...we want to be able to change and refine them. So all CA would've had to do was create an engine where this could be done, or create the tools so that it COULD be done, and people would've been happier than ever. And, it would've helped a LOT if CA had just looked at the most popular mods for RTW and done there best not necessarily to copy or replicate content, but to make it easily possible to ADD that content. Afterall, RTW was\is still as popular as it is because of the mods for it.

Here, I feel CA 'missed the boat', or sank it, or just didn't bother to buy a ticket. Modders can, and would certainly be willing to do their part, but CA needed to do THEIR part....produce a more modern RTW with all the features that people have begged for for years, enhance the AI, a nicer environment, better diplomacy, more faction and unit slots, and the like. 'Some' of these things they did, but by and large they fail miserably with the AI, which is dumber than a brick and stupider than it was in RTW. And, they removed some of the essential parts of RTW that people really enjoyed in favor of the 'I want to win in one day' types who don't want to be bothered with managing anything or reading or immersing themselves in the game. Then, they added things, like multiple ways to 'win', that I don't recall anyone ever asking for. Maybe that's cool, maybe not. But I just feel that they did their part producing a game that 'worked'. It was poorly tested and excecuted, and hyped way beyond what it really is.