Buff Suebi maybe??

[1Thaddeus]

Suebi have the weakest melee and weakest cav in the game.

Their sword infantry sucks really bad. And their cav sucks too.

Why do Averni and Iceni have light horses with +60 melee defence while the Suebi ones have like 30ish defence???

On campaign map after some turns people get the celtic "short swords" which are really good melee infantry while we have the blood infantry which are horrible!

Does CA hate the Germans or something??

Berserkers suck anyway. Low in numbers plus they die reallyyyy quickly even in melee combat, dont need missle's to kill them.
Archers? Yeah Germans got archers "wow"....big deal after losing all your melee+cav fight.

[BSGfan]

no they pretty good if you know how to use them , last thing you do with a suebi armu is to stand there and defend

ATACK ATTAZCK and ATTACK

[1Thaddeus]

no they pretty good if you know how to use them , last thing you do with a suebi armu is to stand there and defend

ATACK ATTAZCK and ATTACK

If you know how to use "sword masters" and "noble riders" if you dont got those your screwed because all the units are weak as hell.

But a smart Averni/Iceni player would win anyway because the Suebi have lower attack/damage/defence/moral on litterly "every" unit.

[BSGfan]

sword masters are only available late in your tech tree and you are right those bloodsworn are not really that good but your woodanaz spears combined with beserjers and longbow really seels to do the tricj forme they way more expensive than normal spearman but they are worth it and a couple of beserkers added to the line which can be relleased into headhunter mode/frenze just bedore you make contact with the enemy line is devastating
those long bow archers have range much greater than slingers and can wreck havoc on those pesky enemy slingers add a âir of noble riders to prevent flanking
so in VH i have 9 woodanaz spears 4 beserkers 4 longbow 2 noble riders and a general and pretty goes thruùpst opposition
if i have the technology i will replace some of the spears to swordmaster but i m still early mid campaign

only true problem i have with the suebi is money

[Kraut]

The early game units (spear levy, club levy) really suck, but then, your early game enemies also mostly are Germanic tribes, with the same bad units. The really decent units, however, take quite some time to research and build up settlements to get available (Sword Masters, Noble Horse...), which poses some problems, because (at least for my part) I am already fighting Celtic and other enemies (with much better units) for quite some time before I get those good units, and they barely arrive "just in time" for the first (serious) clashes with the Romans and other "high tech enemies" in the south.

The probably best units for the early game (IMO) is the Wodanaz Spears unit. Decent unit specs, and early available by building just a shrine to Wodan. Of course, the unit price is quite hard to bear early on, but there will be always something to complain, right?

[1Thaddeus]

The early game units (spear levy, club levy) really suck, but then, your early game enemies also mostly are Germanic tribes, with the same bad units. The really decent units, however, take quite some time to research and build up settlements to get available (Sword Masters, Noble Horse...), which poses some problems, because (at least for my part) I am already fighting Celtic and other enemies (with much better units) for quite some time before I get those good units, and they barely arrive "just in time" for the first (serious) clashes with the Romans and other "high tech enemies" in the south.

The probably best units for the early game (IMO) is the Wodanaz Spears unit. Decent unit specs, and early available by building just a shrine to Wodan. Of course, the unit price is quite hard to bear early on, but there will be always something to complain, right?

The Celtic tribes (atleast 2) will declare war on you in early game. I opened atleast 30 Suebi campaigns on legendary.

So you need to take the Germans+Celts with the sucky club levy units

[1Thaddeus]

All I want is a light horse that als has 60ish melee defense and a light sword infantry with some defence.

Because ALL tribes except the Germans have these.

Racism lol

[rrgg]

Biggest issue for seubi still tends to be ranged enemies due to the fact that they have exactly 2 units in their entire roster with more than 35 armor (also shield screen does nothing). If anything I feel that their club troops (club levy, bloodsworn) probably need to be buffed a bit. At the moment they are just about completely useless, they don't even do decent damage against armor.

[1Thaddeus]

Biggest issue for seubi still tends to be ranged enemies due to the fact that they have exactly 2 units in their entire roster with more than 35 armor (also shield screen does nothing). If anything I feel that their club troops (club levy, bloodsworn) probably need to be buffed a bit. At the moment they are just about completely useless, they don't even do decent damage against armor.

club levy and bloodsworn will rout against the cheapest enemy units

The only way to use them is to put ONLY spears in your frontline and flank with the club levy/bloodsworn altough if cav charge into them they are done for in a second or two lol

[rrgg]

So anyways, yeah, stick to spearmen, make lots of Wodanaz spears (improve moral of nearby friendlies and they're really awsome, wodanaz spears cut through legionaries, really anything you put in front of them). As with the other barbarian factions, the secret is that because they don't use formation attack, your warriors are actually way more powerful than their stats imply.

[1Thaddeus]

So anyways, yeah, stick to spearmen, make lots of Wodanaz spears (improve moral of nearby friendlies and they're really awsome, wodanaz spears cut through legionaries, really anything you put in front of them). As with the other barbarian factions, the secret is that because they don't use formation attack, your warriors are actually way more powerful than their stats imply.

But the shield screen sucks (no movement at all!)

90% of the units are in the back while 10% only attacks while in shield screen mode.

And when I let the others charge, they dont or they begin to rout cause of no shield screen.

[Kenios]

Club troops are only good for garrisoning settlements cheaply. A Suebi player has to rush for proper sword units now that the AI is prioritizing military technology. Playing as Carthage, I noticed my Libya client state already built tier-4 hoplite barracks by turn 30 something, which is required to recruit war elephants. I didn't like berserkers. Their numbers are small and they have the tendency to lose control. Nothing as frustrating as watching your berserkers chase after some routing units when you want them to be elsewhere.

[rrgg]

Club troops are only good for garrisoning settlements cheaply. A Suebi player has to rush for proper sword units now that the AI is prioritizing military technology. Playing as Carthage, I noticed my Libya client state already built tier-4 hoplite barracks by turn 30 something, which is required to recruit war elephants. I didn't like berserkers. Their numbers are small and they have the tendency to lose control. Nothing as frustrating as watching your berserkers chase after some routing units when you want them to be elsewhere.

I learned quickly that you don't try to flank with berserkers. You put them in the center of your line so they don't get caught chasing around after random skirmishers.

[AusHaching]

Suebi are alright. I used them twice to conquer half the world.

Sword Masters are among the best Melee infantry units. Berserkers eat up just about everything, if used properly (they are not there to hold a line...). Longbow archers have a damage of 25, which means they are among the best. Also, they get faster reload and flaming missiles, making them probably the best missile unit in the game. Wodanaz spears and Noble Riders are decent, if nothing special.

To the downside: The club units suck, spear levy and spear brothers are mediocre. Light cav isn´t worth any investment at all.

Strategically, the ability to form a confederation is very powerful. In any game, I got 3-4 regions that way for free, and including the AI armies and navies.

In short, I´d like the Suebi to have a) a medium horse unit and b) maybe something like the short swors. If they had that, the faction would be great (except for the navy, which I never use anyway).

[Mithridates_Eupator]

In short, I´d like the Suebi to have a) a medium horse unit and b) maybe something like the short swors. If they had that, the faction would be great (except for the navy, which I never use anyway).

Those units already exist in the data files. Download PFM and look in the data.pack under db for "Sword Brothers" and "Heavy Horse." They didn't make it into the final release for some reason.

My personal beef with the Suebi is that they are impossible to play historically accurate. They're a tribal society engaged in constant endemic warfare. There's really no such thing as levies, only volunteers flocking to war leader's banner and looking for a fight. I think they should get rid of the spear and club levies and replace them with a tier 1.5 unit that's almost as good as spear brothers. Then have them upgradable as they get more experience and armor from raiding. The upgraded units (maybe called Proven Spears, or Dugunthiz in the EB mod) would represent the hardened veterans who survived the years of campaigning.

[peoplescavalry]

The bloodsworn(great name for a dismal unit) I mistakenly thought we're sword armed and rapidly recruited them to replace my poor spear levy, until my first battle revealed how bad they are. The Suebi really need a decent mid-level me lee unit, the sword masters are ace but you have auto-cald you way across most of Central Europe by the time they appear.

[AusHaching]

The bloodsworn(great name for a dismal unit) I mistakenly thought we're sword armed and rapidly recruited them to replace my poor spear levy, until my first battle revealed how bad they are. The Suebi really need a decent mid-level me lee unit, the sword masters are ace but you have auto-cald you way across most of Central Europe by the time they appear.

You can get Wodanaz Spears with a level 3 temple, Archers with a level 2 carpenter and light horses with a level 2 horse farm. Make Suebia your unit recruitment place, and Hercynia and Silesia you bread basket. You can have a decent army by turn 20 and start conquering left and right. Sword masters take ages, as you will need infantry chain mail. It will be faster to go for berserkers, if you want a sword unit pretty fast.

[Carl Jung was right]

Have you tried Radious unit mod? It solves many of the aforementioned issues.

[kuceraht]

The really decent units, however, take quite some time to research and build up settlements to get available

[1Thaddeus]

1-) Light have with melee defence!
2-) Melee sword units with higher defence!

Only this lacks.