Is it me or the battles are much worse?Video before and After,to compare.

**pajomife** · October 05, 2013, 09:38 AM

With 2x unit sizes,adding more ranks ,reducing the unit speed and other others tweaks,I could have battles with average quality,like this one.
Now after this sad attempt to repair the irreparable, they call it patches, battles are like this.
it is amazing how so called professionals,can not solve a problem without creating another two or three,now the tiny shadow of cohesion disappeared completely , the units rotate without control,the blob is atrocious,as is atrocious to see the degradation that this game is having.

**Nippy** · October 05, 2013, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by pajomife

With 2x unit sizes,adding more ranks ,reducing the unit speed and other others tweaks,I could have battles with average quality,like this one.
Now after this sad attempt to repair the irreparable, they call it patches, battles are like this.
it is amazing how so called professionals,can not solve a problem without creating another two or three,now the tiny shadow of cohesion disappeared completely , the units rotate without control,the blob is atrocious,as is atrocious to see the degradation that this game is having.

Completly agree the cohesion of formations has completly disolved with the new patches hoplite phlanxes are the worst when an enemy routes the hoplite phalanx that was fighting it walks all over the place.
Also when 2 phalanxes fight each other the devolve into shogun 2 individual duels and line collapse battle ai is getting worse..

**pajomife** · October 05, 2013, 12:30 PM

Thats it, the units are dissolved in one another, and the soldiers seem puppet with the wires attached. Collide each other without any nexus.I sometimes ask myself, who CA guys think we are, and honestly I think they do not truly want to solve the problems of this game.
Only wanting the expectations come down to the point of mediocre sound good.

**Huberto** · October 06, 2013, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by pajomife

Thats it, the units are dissolved in one another, and the soldiers seem puppet with the wires attached. Collide each other without any nexus.I sometimes ask myself, who CA guys think we are, and honestly I think they do not truly want to solve the problems of this game. Only wanting the expectations come down to the point of mediocre sound good.

+ rep I do believe CA is moving in a different direction now, and perhaps that is why staff seems to be doing such a lousy job with this really bad game. There appears to be no enthusiasm for the R2TW project and/or they have moved staff to work on something else. Even if the game worked properly, Rome II looks to have been an effort to prepare the TW series for consoles. Our best hope now may be for CA/SEGA to give up and spin off the series so it could be developed properly by someone who cared and could do the game right for its niche audience.

**DramaBelli** · October 06, 2013, 07:22 AM

BAI must still be concretely reworked. Fix it simply is pointless.

Despite of the excellent Lines of Battle mod 2.5 beta upgraded quicly to patch 4 beta, I must confirm what you say.

Even though the worst still happens in sieges and city-coastal battles.

**Zenky** · October 06, 2013, 08:02 AM

They didn't touch siege battle yet nor did intensive work on BAI according to patch note I hope they will fix it

I guess they are still working on tech issue mostly

**Carl Jung was right** · October 06, 2013, 08:23 AM

There already is a Rome Total War II you should be playing. It's called Roma Surrectum.

**caissus** · October 06, 2013, 08:41 AM

I noticed this too, especially with the hoplites. Good to see I'm not the only one.

**Bethencourt** · October 06, 2013, 08:52 AM

Is the people fixing the things the same that developed them? In this case it seems the last ones do not know what they are doing.

**Rasic** · October 06, 2013, 08:56 AM

Am I going crazy or do pikemen not work currently? I tell them to attack (when in phalanx formation) and they will move a little and just stand there, it's driving me nuts as pikemen are basically useless now. Also ranged units don't seem to want to attack who you tell them to, instead they just pick whatever unit is closest to them and start firing even if it's into mostly your own men. On top of whatever is going on with formations this is ridiculous.

edit: upon further investigation it seems the pike thing was some kind of pathfinding bug as I'm not able to reproduce it in custom battles and I've had it happen on other units now.

**pajomife** · October 06, 2013, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Rasic

Am I going crazy or do pikemen not work currently? I tell them to attack (when in phalanx formation) and they will move a little and just stand there, it's driving me nuts as pikemen are basically useless now. Also ranged units don't seem to want to attack who you tell them to, instead they just pick whatever unit is closest to them and start firing even if it's into mostly your own men. On top of whatever is going on with formations this is ridiculous.

edit: upon further investigation it seems the pike thing was some kind of pathfinding bug as I'm not able to reproduce it in custom battles and I've had it happen on other units now.

The problem is most evident with the phalanx , who should be the unit with more cohesion, and it is precisely the opposite,they run with spears pointing upwards, against enemy. But any unit who suffer a small touch in any side,even only by a single soldier ,simple turns around for that side,we simple cant maintain a simple line. Before this last patch with mods, I still had some good battles, but now not even with mods.

**craziii** · October 06, 2013, 03:46 PM

I am fine with either one actually. I personally miss the blobbing of the unit when it charges into another unit. for that I like the 2nd video.

I want my units to retain formation when it is defending and receiving a charge. not when it's charging into action. retaining formation as it charges would look and feels stupid. artificial/arcade even.

**pajomife** · October 07, 2013, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by craziii

I am fine with either one actually. I personally miss the blobbing of the unit when it charges into another unit. for that I like the 2nd video.

I want my units to retain formation when it is defending and receiving a charge. not when it's charging into action. retaining formation as it charges would look and feels stupid. artificial/arcade even.

But when they receiving a charge they rotate without any order or control. And look to the animations,they look like pinballs inside the blob. its broken,no matter you try to branch it,at least I hope they rollback it to patch 3.

**jackal263** · October 06, 2013, 06:40 PM

I also confirm that patch 4 has really worsened battles. (before, thanks to modders, only siege and city battles were really unplayable). I tested only LoB, CC and XMOD Ars Gratia, and i was so disappointed with results that i decided to quit the battle. Cohesion again broken, cavalry charging through it's own men .. and i used as test only few units (5/6 for side), without phalanx to not make things worst ...
Ok, it's a beta, but don't they realize that it produces worse results than original patch 3 ? I really doubt about CA really making any serious test..

**GnaReffotsirk** · October 07, 2013, 05:53 AM

This is true. I've just played another custom with patch 4. Wobble, wobble, slip to the back. Oops!

Unit gets attacked from two directions, unit does a flower dance, rotating coming together, and pop! Units become a cross. Nice dance choreography, but, no! no no no no...

Hurr! pushing harder. Huur! Wobble, pop! Hurr! Wobble, pop! Francis, I need you!

Battle rages, some men dies. Oops, rotate to the left. Rotate to the right. This is how we do it. Do it all night.

Yearrgh! Chug!