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    Default 20 turns and at war with every one? what am i doing wrong?

    By my 20th turn I am being attacked the Greeks, Macedonians, Carthage, Iberian, Spartans, Gauls, roman rebels, free people, Seleucid, boii. They all just started to siege my city's out of no where. 3 rd game so far and happens every time. my game ends before it begins. what is the deal here? roma surrectum 2.6

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    Default Re: 20 turns and at war with every one? what am i doing wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ejwith9953 View Post
    By my 20th turn I am being attacked the Greeks, Macedonians, Carthage, Iberian, Spartans, Gauls, roman rebels, free people, Seleucid, boii. They all just started to siege my city's out of no where. 3 rd game so far and happens every time. my game ends before it begins. what is the deal here? roma surrectum 2.6
    Sounds like you are blitzing and getting caught with your pants down and no legions to back you up. I have no idea how (or why) you've captured provinces in the levant that put you are war with the Seleucids. You are too early in the game to have the financial base to be able to support such a wide empire and are just throwing money down the drain trying to hold onto these far flung outposts. Which based on the mention of Roman Rebels are probably not very well managed so are prone to revolt.

    Try a more gradual expansion that avoids direct border contact with multiple factions and build up your economy.

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    You are doing nothing wrong. The AI is hardcoded and can accurately be called retarded; if any AI faction neighbors you, you may be assured of a declaration of war even if that faction is far weaker than yours. I suggest using Force Diplomacy to attain peace with some of them.

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    I know two options how one can avoid this stupid-total wall with everyone, though these options not always work and AI sometimes attack you anyway:

    1. Pay constant tribute to AI faction. I ussually offer ~1k denarii for ~100 or ~200 turns. It's sometimes hard to make a deal even if I am offering it as gift (buggy RTW diplomacy).

    2. Keep a full stack near your border settlement. Even AI will "think" twice before making an attack. But if AI brings two stacks, probably the war is almost guarantedd ;D.

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    Default Re: 20 turns and at war with every one? what am i doing wrong?

    The Ai want to make "total war" with you. Build forts on keypositions and hold stacks in reserve (4-6 regions - one Stack) and concentrate only on two or three fronts at the same time (for axample: conquer africa and gaul - or greece and hispania... but don´t try them all)

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    Interesting comparison here.....

    With RTW/RSII (as Romans) you can have too many wars (especially if you expand too fast) - and in R2 there are complaints when it doesn't happen.......
    "RTW/RS VH campaign difficulty is bugged out (CA bug that never got fixed) and thus easier than Hard so play on that instead" - apple

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    Interesting.I am playing on Medium/Medium and i am in 606AUC and i still dont have war with barbarians in norh europe.They keep fighting each other.
    I am war with carthago,galeaci and macedons+greece.
    I have allies with dacia and they helping me with macedonia.
    Sparta and others are neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEAD1. View Post
    Interesting.I am playing on Medium/Medium and i am in 606AUC and i still dont have war with barbarians in norh europe.They keep fighting each other.
    I am war with carthago,galeaci and macedons+greece.
    I have allies with dacia and they helping me with macedonia.
    Sparta and others are neutral.
    Same here for me. I have a campaign at 620 AUC and have taken over carthage and iberia, and only a few turns ago did I go to war with the avernii. I have been at war with the Boii for a while but they are very manageable. I've been at war with Macedon from turn one b/c I refused to give up Dyrrachium and with the Greeks to (more of a nuisance really). I just declared war on Dacia so I guess you can say I am at war with 5 factions with 2 of them new, but really only one of them worry me (Avernii) since they are on the other side of major campaign area.

    You been having any stability issues that late in the game BTW?

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    I have no stability problem.But i using LAA
    http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=112556
    Without it game crashing after big battles.Rome is old game and cant use more than 2Gbram.With that program you can use all RAM what you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEAD1. View Post
    I have no stability problem.But i using LAA
    http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=112556
    Without it game crashing after big battles.Rome is old game and cant use more than 2Gbram.With that program you can use all RAM what you have.

    Hi I suggest deleting that link. It modifies the Exe and is therefore against twcenter.net rules.

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    i saw some weeks ago, that CA uses an option to enable more than 2GB in R2TW, so i think "modify" doesn´t fit very well.
    It simply enable, what is not represented in the rtw-gameoptions.

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    the AI is very predictable, just dont share a border with them and they usually wont attack you. or if you do, make sure you station full stacks in the border settlements to discourage them from attacking.

    if you are a faction with more open ground surrounded by multiple factions, consider giving up cities that are more remote/exposed and harder to defend. for example as seleucids your eastern starting cities are poor and really spread out, you should just give them all up and expand into asia minor, do take note of certain starting cities with "treasuries" that give you a huge bonus to income, but sometimes it may even be beneficial to give thsoe up to reduce the # of fronts you face in the beginning, again i would choose to give up seleucia as the seluicids and keep antioch/damascus area as my choke point border while i expand into asia minor.

    another thing you can do, is take a border settlement and then remove your garrison and let it revolt and turn into rebels - or give it for free to a weak faction^^, which forms a barrier between you and the super power you want to avoid war against. the rebels may attack you, but with only a couple settlements they wont be hard to deal with. if the superpower conquers them and shares a border with you again, you can take it back and let it rebel again.


    if you are rome, carthage will keep hitting caralis by sea, but you can prevent this by building a small navy and keep killing their ships every turn.

    bottomline is if you share a border espeically lightly garrisoned the AI WILL attack you, so plan your borders carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meerkatology View Post
    if you are rome, carthage will keep hitting caralis by sea, but you can prevent this by building a small navy and keep killing their ships every turn.
    Just to add - you can switch to Alex.exe and Carthage will not attack Caralis at all (at least in my 1-turn campaign they have never did that).

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    I ended up using some forced diplomacy until I could stabilize a bit and now 596 AUC, Carthage has just been conquered by me and every one else is either at peace and trading with me or has asked for alliance. One odd thing i have noticed is many times the computer would either ask for a cease fire or alliance and in the same turn attack. With no wars I have begun making my boarders secure and building my armies and economy up. Not sure who to take next, the rest of Spain and Greece most likely. I know I hate this AI I really do. Also, just for reference, my last battle with Carthage involved 3 legions and I lost 6000 to elephants, since most of their legion was elephants for some reason, really sucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejwith9953 View Post
    I ended up using some forced diplomacy until I could stabilize a bit and now 596 AUC, Carthage has just been conquered by me and every one else is either at peace and trading with me or has asked for alliance. One odd thing i have noticed is many times the computer would either ask for a cease fire or alliance and in the same turn attack. With no wars I have begun making my boarders secure and building my armies and economy up. Not sure who to take next, the rest of Spain and Greece most likely. I know I hate this AI I really do. Also, just for reference, my last battle with Carthage involved 3 legions and I lost 6000 to elephants, since most of their legion was elephants for some reason, really sucked.
    I tend to prefer to go after spain before greece, mostly because its easier to defend and has secure borders (assuming you've taken out carthage first). The Pyrennes provide a great barrier against the Avernii, so its pretty easy holding spain once you'vr captured it. That said, capturing spain isn't easy. By the time I took out Carthage spain was pretty strong so it took some work logistically keeping my armies up to strength. Plus the spanish cavalry is good and a major pain to deal with b/c they love harassing with their missile cavalry. Though a unit of slingers is generally good enough to keep them at bay from one of your flanks.

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    Spain is a joke im on h/h and i win vs galleaci without even using cavalry they like to spam lightly amored units that just melt. After spain take britain and move down from spain conquer ur way back to carthage with this method u will only four border cities in ur entire empire .

    Britain gives u op sarmatian cataphracts and does not open another front


    As four dealing with elephants and every other problem in RS and in life, cavalry is the answer to everything. Cavarly charge will one shot elephants go figure, fire arrows work too if u actually get archers to attack waht u want them to

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    The Gallaeci used to be beasts. Every other unit was elite and every unit had silver chevrons. Was quite difficult, lost several battles to them.

    Elephants best counter is skirmishers. A unit or two of velites can annihilate any Carthaginian elephant, ain't sure about the cataphract elephants.
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