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    Is the faction that you want to play in MTW2? If not want to help out on a community project that aims to add various factions. If you want to help out on this project you can write faction descriptions, or help out in other areas such as skinning, unit cards, and sprites.

    Now the main objective is to add factions that do not overshadow CA's work but is rather the same quailty, as if it came in the game. This is not ment to be a heavy mod but only to complement the game by adding factions.

    Some of the Faction I would like to do are:

    Aragon
    Irish
    Lithuania
    Kiev
    Bohemia
    Serbia
    Croatia


    The first three factions I would like to do is Aragon, Lituania, and the Irish.


    The Irish




    Early Ireland had an unusual government. Ireland was divided into many small kingdoms called tuaths. Each tuath's king was elected by all the free men on its territory. The tuath was thus a body of persons voluntarily united and its territorial dimension was the sum total of the landed properties of its members. About 80 to 100 tuatha coexisted at any time throughout Ireland. Above the tuaithe were larger provincial kingdoms.

    The Coming of the Normans 1167–1185

    By the 12th century, Ireland was divided politically into a shifting hierarchy of petty kingdoms and over-kingdoms. Power was concentrated into the hands of a few regional dynasties contending against each other for control of the whole island. One of their number, the King of Leinster Diarmait Mac Murchada (anglicised as Diarmuid MacMorrough) was forcibly exiled from his kingdom by the new High King, Ruaidri mac Tairrdelbach Ua Conchobair. Fleeing to Aquitaine, Diarmait obtained permission from Henry II to use the Norman forces to regain his kingdom. The first Norman knight landed in Ireland in 1167, followed by the main forces of Normans, Welsh and Flemings in Wexford in 1169. Within a short time Leinster was regained, Waterford and Dublin were under Diarmait's control, and he had Strongbow as a son-in-law, and named him as heir to his kingdom.

    - Wikipedia

    Flags and banners

    - The smaller flags are secondary flags and will most likly be different shapes as well





    - There are two options for this one, there can be either two or three provinces on the island.

    Two Provinces / Three Provinces



    If I go with two provinces the cities will be Dublin and Limerick. If three it will be Dublin, Limerick, and Cork or maybe Waterford. If you have any sugestions on provinces and names of the cities plase post them and we can make the changes.

    Units

    -To be determined



    Lithuania



    Lithuania entered into the annals of European history when it was first mentioned in a medieval German manuscript, the Quedlinburg Chronicle, on February 14, 1009. The Lithuanian lands were united by Mindaugas in 1235, and neighboring countries referred to it as "the state of Lithuania". The official coronation of Mindaugas as King of Lithuania, on July 6, 1253, marked its recognition by Christendom, and the official recognition of Lithuanian statehood as the Kingdom of Lithuania [1].

    During the early period of the Gediminids (1316-1430), the state occupied the territories of present-day Belarus, Ukraine, and parts of Poland and Russia [2]. By the end of the 14th century, Lithuania was the largest country in Europe [3] . The Grand Duchy of Lithuania stretched across a substantial part of Europe, from the Baltic to the Black Sea.

    - Wikipedia

    Flags and banners

    - The smaller flags are secondary flags and will most likly be different shapes as well



    If you have any sugestion or better sources for banners and Icons please post them as well.

    The Province Lithuania

    -To be determined

    Units

    -To be determined

    Aragon



    Aragón was a Frankish feudal county (Jaca) before becoming a self-proclaimed kingdom, which was united with the kingdom of Pamplona (later Navarre) in 836. The kingdom of Pamplona included the counties of Aragon, Sobrarbe, and Ribagorza, and the duchy of Castile. After King Sancho's death, the kingdom was divided between his sons. Ramiro I was initially named king of Aragon; later, after his brother Gonzalo's death, he was also named king of Sobrarbe and Ribagorza. The new kingdom grew quickly, and incorporated Navarra. This kingdom conquered the city of Zaragoza in 1118. Split from the kingdom of Navarre, the kingdom of Aragón was re-established in 1035 and lasted until 1479.

    - Wikipedia

    Flags and shields



    The Province Aragon

    -More coming soon

    Units

    -To be determined

    Kiev



    The History of Kiev, the largest city and the capital of Ukraine, is long and remarkable. The exact time of city foundation is hard to determine. The legend has it that the emergence of the great city on the future location of Kiev was prophesied by St. Andrew (d. AD 60/70) fascinated by the spectacular location on the hilly shores of the Dnieper river. The city is thought to have existed as early as the 5th century, initially as a growing trading post. Gradually acquiring the eminence as the center of the East Slavic civilization, Kiev reached its Golden Age as the center Kievan Rus' in the tenth–twelfth centuries. Its political, but not cultural, importance started to decline somewhat when it was completely destroyed during the Mongol invasion in 1240. In the following centuries Kiev was a provincial capital of marginal importance in the outskirts of the territories controlled by its powerful neighbors: the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Muscovite Russia, later the Russian Empire.

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    These items are a work in progress and are subject to change, if you have a better source for such icons or symbols please post them.

    Edit: added Kiev.

    Cheers
    Last edited by Kinjo; September 19, 2006 at 05:26 PM.

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    Great idea.

    I worked with CTW on Bohemia so research is done. I will get all the info you need on this faction. Perhaps you have some more that you can share.

    How will you cope with a faction limit if it is hardcoded?


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    Great idea. I'm guessing that the factions will be downloaded seperately?



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    You only got the Leinster flag right. Munster, Connacht and Ulster all have different colored flags. And the cross of St. George will never do. And I would definitly have Cork, mainly because Munster was the most independent region in Ireland at the time. If you want I can help with historical research on the topic of Ireland as a faction (which would be hard).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JANOSIK007
    Great idea.

    I worked with CTW on Bohemia so research is done. I will get all the info you need on this faction. Perhaps you have some more that you can share.

    How will you cope with a faction limit if it is hardcoded?
    Well I just want to see if there is a general interest for this type of mod, as there seems to be a lot of threads why this faction and that faction should be in the game. This is an opportunity for those to get those factions in the game, this mod is not a complete overhaul of the game and providing that CA gives us the open faction slots this should be a mod that takes off pretty quick.

    As far as coping with a faction limit hard coded, this would be the worst case scenario. However there are still some options that still exist. 1. One would be to consolidate the Italian factions to one faction 2. Two replace the Tumurid and Aztecs. 3. To make non playable faction rebels that that look like counties


    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd
    You only got the Leinster flag right. Munster, Connacht and Ulster all have different colored flags. And the cross of St. George will never do. And I would definitly have Cork, mainly because Munster was the most independent region in Ireland at the time. If you want I can help with historical research on the topic of Ireland as a faction (which would be hard).
    That's Great mud! You certainly can help with the research for Ireland. The reason I went with the one color with the different flags is so it appears as a united Ireland.

    So we have Three team members/ contributors so far.

    JANOSIK007
    Mudd
    Reiksmarshal

    If there is anything that you can help with join! It will start as community project and will finish a community project that will benifit the community!

    cheers
    Last edited by Kinjo; September 17, 2006 at 11:56 PM.

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    I love this idea

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    Good luck . And if you intend including Bulgaria, I'll gladly help.

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    Aren't the Irish in the game already though? I thought they were.

    The factions I'd like to see are:

    Serbia
    Kiev
    Cilician Armenia
    Lithuania
    The Cumans

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    Aragon




    Aragón was a Frankish feudal county (Jaca) before becoming a self-proclaimed kingdom, which was united with the kingdom of Pamplona (later Navarre) in 836. The kingdom of Pamplona included the counties of Aragon, Sobrarbe, and Ribagorza, and the duchy of Castile. After King Sancho's death, the kingdom was divided between his sons. Ramiro I was initially named king of Aragon; later, after his brother Gonzalo's death, he was also named king of Sobrarbe and Ribagorza. The new kingdom grew quickly, and incorporated Navarra. This kingdom conquered the city of Zaragoza in 1118. Split from the kingdom of Navarre, the kingdom of Aragón was re-established in 1035 and lasted until 1479.

    - Wikipedia

    Flags and shields

    ........See Post # 1

    The Province Aragon

    -More coming soon

    Units

    -To be determined

    Now these are not the final product in any way, they are just a strating point that we can build from. The one thing that I am trying to do is keep them at about the same level of detail as the other faction so that they will fit in well. I will be updating the Irish with some flag changes and shield updates next time around.

    cheers
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    The Grand Duchy of Kiev (Rus Kijowska in polish), was very important, powerful and infuencial player in east Europe at that time. With no intended offense to any faction not included in M2TW, Grand Duchy of Kiev should be first among all absent factions. After Byzantium it was the main orthodox state in Europe and it's really surprising it's missing, but hopefully will be included in mods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foytaz
    The Grand Duchy of Kiev (Rus Kijowska in polish), was very important, powerful and infuencial player in east Europe at that time. With no intended offense to any faction not included in M2TW, Grand Duchy of Kiev should be first among all absent factions. After Byzantium it was the main orthodox state in Europe and it's really surprising it's missing, but hopefully will be included in mods.
    If you have any information on Kiev such as faction descriptions and what their banners might have looked like, then post that information. Kiev is a faction that I am considering to add if possible.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pavlik the Rus
    I want to see separated Russia into Novgorod and Kiev, also Lithuania, Volga-Bulgars, Serbia and Bolgaria
    By the way, how many factions may be in the game? In original 21, i mean maxmum, what allowed game engine?
    We should be able to add 9 more factions as long as CA gives us the 30 faction slots that was mentioned in a interview.

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    I want to see separated Russia into Novgorod and Kiev, also Lithuania, Volga-Bulgars, Serbia and Bolgaria
    By the way, how many factions may be in the game? In original 21, i mean maxmum, what allowed game engine?

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    Ok, I'll begin research after work and post something in the evening.

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    It's hard to say what exactly flag or symbol Rus have in tyat time. More correctly will use banners of the warriors. This will be quite accurate for Kievan Rus
    http://hronos.km.ru/heraldicum/flagi/images2/Groz1.gif
    For Novgorod (Must be at least 2 russian factions in the game! And Kiev and Novgorod played important role in History) can use original golgofian cross
    http://gerb.bel.ru/pages/russia/flag/f_xv_3.gif

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavlik the Rus
    It's hard to say what exactly flag or symbol Rus have in tyat time. More correctly will use banners of the warriors. This will be quite accurate for Kievan Rus
    http://hronos.km.ru/heraldicum/flagi/images2/Groz1.gif
    For Novgorod (Must be at least 2 russian factions in the game! And Kiev and Novgorod played important role in History) can use original golgofian cross
    http://gerb.bel.ru/pages/russia/flag/f_xv_3.gif
    Thanks Pavlik, I will see what I can dig up on Kiev as well.

    Also updated the Irish shields! Let me know what you guys think, one thing to remember is that the final product will be much cleaner.

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    I think members of B.A.L.T.S. for sure help you with lithuania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiksmarshal
    Thanks Pavlik, I will see what I can dig up on Kiev as well.

    Also updated the Irish shields! Let me know what you guys think, one thing to remember is that the final product will be much cleaner.
    I think that Russia faction in the game will be more correctly to rename it to Novgorod. Symbol is allready here, units here, just change the name.
    And add Kievan Rus, offcause With few uniqe, different from Novgorod units. With units i think that i can help you (but i think it's early now to talk about units). I can translate to you some source, if neded so
    PS Sorry my English-not much practice, but i think that we will understand each other.

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    What about the Welsh?
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    Cilicia, Cilicia, Cilicia...and Kiev.

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    Excellent idea, Reiksmarshal! This is exactly the kind of mod I've been hoping for.

    I can't offer any historical advice myself, but I would make one suggestion for the Irish: Contact Anthony (or Ranika, but I don't think he's around right now), if you haven't already. They are the experts on the Gaelic world around here, especially valuable since there isn't much about them online or in Osprey etc.

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