Can CA recover from Rome 2 ?

[TomR199]

Ill put money down that same question was asked after empires release..

[karasis]

I can only hope...

[Leesin]

If you want to write a serious post you probably shouldn't put Napoleon as an example of a "good release" when it was just basically a fixed TW Empire.

Shogun 2 was good? I wonder why that is, maybe because all the factions and units weren't much different, meaning that CA had a lot more time to spend on other stuff before SEGA forced them to release. Basically, it looks like CA tried to do too much in the small amount of time SEGA gave them. As much as issues with Rome 2 piss me off I don't fully put the blame on CA, they should have had better foresight and got the basic features we all wanted done before they tried adding all these new ones, some of which are either broken or just lame, but at the end of the day if SEGA wasn't pushing release dates up their arse they would have released a far more solid product.

CA recover, from what? another buggy and unfinished release? nearly every game they've released has been broken as to begin with.

[Menumorut]

hahha, very funny this question, it's like they were into a war with us "the customers" and they lose when, in fact we lost to them a ton of money! hard for them to recover from such amount of money
they will keep up the hard work with this: good job marketing and pay 4fake reviews

[Guacharin]

CA. Where are the ing modding tools for this game? We can make it

[Wittman]

This game is abandoned,every week 1 patch,yeah right,1 in two months now

[laijka]

Sure they will recover. The game sold great and in terms of money earned is a great success. The only thing taking a beating here was their reputation. And we gamers are easily distracted and very very forgetful so no doubt will the hype train go full speed next time around as well.

That said, I hope I can keep myself from pre ordering another TW game. I really, really regret buying Rome II..

This game is abandoned,every week 1 patch,yeah right,1 in two months now

Your math skills and grasp of time both scare and intrigues me.

[Wittman]

Sure they will recover. The game sold great and in terms of money earned is a great success. The only thing taking a beating here was their reputation. And we gamers are easily distracted and very very forgetful so no doubt will the hype train go full speed next time around as well.

That said, I hope I can keep myself from pre ordering another TW game. I really, really regret buying Rome II..



Your math skills and grasp of time both scare and intrigues me.

Cool story bro...you will see,1 in every month

[Malinwa]

[nigelnire]

I think Humble Warrior has it right and its more than likely the end of Total war games as we know it. As others have said the next game may well sell as many copies of Medieval 3 complete with flaming Javelins, nuclear tipped Arrow heads , heat resistant armour or whatever other Arcade garbage they can think up to keep ten year olds happy. Total War is being turned into a cross between a 90s style Sega game you played down at the Amusement arcade and Gods of war. I want to play a reasonably accurate historical RTS game with awesome battles where I have to use tactics to win not a five minute mindless bash a ten year old kid plays between having a meal and doing his homework. CA may well recover but I believe their reputation is dead and buried ,as a company they are no better now than EA.

[Mangalore]

People should really get their heads out of their asses. This is just a game. I bought it on preorder because it's just a game, not a freaking business investment that will kill my life savings and force my entire family into indentured servitude.

If you don't want to buy it, then don't. There are enough entertainment alternatives from booze to cocaine to spend your free time and money.

Otherwise grow up, then you won't have the time for these games anymore and will be quite happy if you find an hour to play this or that game for relaxation like I do.

[stackero]

People should really get their heads out of their asses. This is just a game. I bought it on preorder because it's just a game, not a freaking business investment that will kill my life savings and force my entire family into indentured servitude.

If you don't want to buy it, then don't. There are enough entertainment alternatives from booze to cocaine to spend your free time and money.

Otherwise grow up, then you won't have the time for these games anymore and will be quite happy if you find an hour to play this or that game for relaxation like I do.

I propose, if there were less people with their 'head up their asses' when it comes to ignoring the corrupt and dishonest business style of CA selling unfinished, broken games, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Because CA would be bankrupt or producing superior games with honest marketing. But I almost wish I could be like you. Ignoring being hoodwinked out of his money for a product not worth half what he paid for it.

But, if I had enough money to entertain myself with cocaine and booze I'd still be irate someone sold me a $60 defective product, and strange as it sounds, a lot of people feel the same way. Crazy world I know but there it is.

Peace and Good Gaming




Freedom is the right to be wrong, not the right to do wrong.- John G. Riefenbaker
"To sin by silence, when they should protest, makes cowards of men"- Attributed to Abraham Lincoln

[SlartyBartfast]

People should really get their heads out of their asses. This is just a game. I bought it on preorder because it's just a game, not a freaking business investment that will kill my life savings and force my entire family into indentured servitude.

If you don't want to buy it, then don't. There are enough entertainment alternatives from booze to cocaine to spend your free time and money.

Otherwise grow up, then you won't have the time for these games anymore and will be quite happy if you find an hour to play this or that game for relaxation like I do.

What if we don't want to use booze or cocaine, hmm? What if we consider Total War the only game worth playing, and that all other games are boring and one dimensional and pale in comparison, hmm? What if Total War is the only bright spot in an otherwise jaded and unwanted life, hmm? Without Total War there would be no reason to live -- except to shag of course; but we must have something to keep us busy in the long intervening time between shags. You wouldn't want us to lose our minds and end up running psychotic in your town, now would you, hmm?

So, in conclusion, yes it is extremely important to some of us that Total War works, and works well, and that the game is constructed with the same soul with which we play it.

[wulfgar610]

Despite the glitches and seemingly even some new ones with latest patch, this is still a way better game than Rome1, better AI, better combat and way cleverer strategy. You can jump up and down all you like, but Rome2 is a superior product. Odds are it will sell a million main units in 12 months and cover CA's bills.

[gary]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMKQ1...ature=youtu.be

This says it all, i nice positive gaming experience....Eh?

[LiquitHQ]

To the question whether Creative assembly can recover or not, I have to say from the business perspective yes. When I look towards the players who follow this game from the early beginnings I have my doubts a bit depending in how far CA will support the game, the patches are improving a lot of things but for my part they still have a lot of work to do. I to have my doubts about how this game is released in many aspects but I try to be as positive I can be. From the start of release to this day I dint have any moment in ROME II that I can say that I enjoy the tittle as it is due to the mere fact that the difficultly is not like I expected which is for me the mayor problem of this tittle if you ask me.

I also have some comments in relation in how some people approach each others input on how ROME II is released because this starts to irritate me the most, we are supposed to be a community NO? while I am not a long registered member of this site I am participating in a lot of other community's and seriously guys to some of you I need to say grow up will ya?

I do understand everyone's position I am even willing to accept those positions but derailing other ones opinions like they are not existent are simple not don for me ...

So far I can see I think 4 groups of costumers that own ROME II

The PLEBS:

These are the ones that like to incite revolts in a uncivilized manner, they like to use the words, fxcking, shxity and they have a wide range of words to trow at you. On top of that they like to get very very personal towards other community members who are not similar minded.

To this group I want to say grow up, you will never be taken seriously at all as you comments will get or neglected don't cry afterwards that people do not want to listen to you when you act like this.

The GENERALS:

Most likely those that follow the total war series from their early installments, they like to see them selves as the core fan base these ones will try to give criticism on epidemics shown in their beloved game when they are abroad and try to give their wide and open opinions about the state of their beloved installment. They will not be happy when others try to dismiss their opinions and they are also intended to put a lot of pressure on the Developers to fix the problems they want to see polished. they will hold better ground as they have the proper training to make conversations in a more constructive way.

Although I see my self more in this group I want to say to these people that whether our opinions very to others we need to be aware that CA is still a busyness like any other. I do understand that we are more hard on the CA development team but at the end of the line they are not the only ones that make the decisions. SEGA will most likely pull the support plug in the long way as it will start to cost them to much money to fix it all..

Some features that we miss will not be implemented anymore, and yes they made a few claims which are not addressed correctly but I think if they come close to polish the game a bit more towards various performance issues and fix the BAI and CAI in a more fashioned way we will be a lot closer to what the game was intended to do.

I do agree that ROME II feels different from their previous tittles, I say keep the pressure on to keep them active but let us do it in a civilized way otherwise we will not get anywhere at all ...

The DIGNITARY:

These ones also have a wider knowledge of how their beloved installment made progress trough the years, they will acknowledge the epidemics abroad but they think to support the franchise by accepting them in the hope they will get fixed. They will find all kinds of way to neglect other opinions and even make topics to prove the opposite of the opinions already given while they were already acknowledged by the developer them selves. They do not seem to like to read constructive criticism about their beloved tittle.

To you I want to say, you are not helping in many situations you make it only more worse, thus even attract the plebs to be more aggressive in more then one occasion. Trying to dismiss the problems with they will get fixed along the way will not help at all, I do understand that you do not like to put pressure on the game developer and try to accept the situation as it is but if you are not willing to understand the other group then I have to say "avoid participating in such future threads" If you make a thread with the sole purpose to prove something, be more open minded as well as neutral to the purpose of your thread, "otherwise it will give us the mere impression that you want to derail all other opinions along the way and wil not help eater" I nor others like to be dictated to do things in a certain way and only your way "I as well as others do not always have the time to look every specific thing up but we do like to participate in the discussion at hand" and if we try to answer and give the information trough link or even YT video then we expect you just watch or read the article.

The CHAMPION:

They have a blast with the current state of the game, they are either new to the game or they are casual players "nothing wrong with casual" they will also try to give their input which is also valid to a certain degree which I for one will gladly accept.

However to you I want to say when you clash in to this kind of discussions you need to be aware that you are talking to people that like to play this game as hard that it can get, and if a certain flavor is missing to a particular difficulty you like which seems not to be present at the time of release then I hope you understand that those players that do like to play the game more then casual are not happy at this time.

Anyway

[stackero]

To the question whether Creative assembly can recover or not, I have to say from the business perspective yes. When I look towards the players who follow this game from the early beginnings I have my doubts a bit depending in how far CA will support the game, the patches are improving a lot of things but for my part they still have a lot of work to do. I to have my doubts about how this game is released in many aspects but I try to be as positive I can be. From the start of release to this day I dint have any moment in ROME II that I can say that I enjoy the tittle as it is due to the mere fact that the difficultly is not like I expected which is for me the mayor problem of this tittle if you ask me.

I also have some comments in relation in how some people approach each others input on how ROME II is released because this starts to irritate me the most, we are supposed to be a community NO? while I am not a long registered member of this site I am participating in a lot of other community's and seriously guys to some of you I need to say grow up will ya?

I do understand everyone's position I am even willing to accept those positions but derailing other ones opinions like they are not existent are simple not don for me ...

So far I can see I think 4 groups of costumers that own ROME II




To this group I want to say grow up, you will never be taken seriously at all as you comments will get or neglected don't cry afterwards that people do not want to listen to you when you act like this.





Although I see my self more in this group I want to say to these people that whether our opinions very to others we need to be aware that CA is still a busyness like any other. I do understand that we are more hard on the CA development team but at the end of the line they are not the only ones that make the decisions. SEGA will most likely pull the support plug in the long way as it will start to cost them to much money to fix it all..

Some features that we miss will not be implemented anymore, and yes they made a few claims which are not addressed correctly but I think if they come close to polish the game a bit more towards various performance issues and fix the BAI and CAI in a more fashioned way we will be a lot closer to what the game was intended to do.

I do agree that ROME II feels different from their previous tittles, I say keep the pressure on to keep them active but let us do it in a civilized way otherwise we will not get anywhere at all ...





To you I want to say, you are not helping in many situations you make it only more worse, thus even attract the plebs to be more aggressive in more then one occasion. Trying to dismiss the problems with they will get fixed along the way will not help at all, I do understand that you do not like to put pressure on the game developer and try to accept the situation as it is but if you are not willing to understand the other group then I have to say "avoid participating in such future threads" If you make a thread with the sole purpose to prove something, be more open minded as well as neutral to the purpose of your thread, "otherwise it will give us the mere impression that you want to derail all other opinions along the way and wil not help eater" I nor others like to be dictated to do things in a certain way and only your way "I as well as others do not always have the time to look every specific thing up but we do like to participate in the discussion at hand" and if we try to answer and give the information trough link or even YT video then we expect you just watch or read the article.





However to you I want to say when you clash in to this kind of discussions you need to be aware that you are talking to people that like to play this game as hard that it can get, and if a certain flavor is missing to a particular difficulty you like which seems not to be present at the time of release then I hope you understand that those players that do like to play the game more then casual are not happy at this time.

Anyway

Not sure where you would place me in your groupings, but I do agree to a degree with most of your analysis.

[Sherm]

We will preorder the next without doubt

[Tyso3]

You forgot

'The Slaves'

People who bought Rome 2, Absolutely loved it because its so cool and historical, uknow like Braveheart was?
I love it so much that im going to post up on a forum of people genuinly feeling they got ripped off, and tell they are all wrong because, well because i like it and thats that.
Also the games succesful because people paid for it, Just like XboxOne will be.

Oooo i wonder if rome will be on xboxone? Will they make it easier for my controller? I hope so! lolz, gotta go time for school.



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[Jokern]

CA have been very succesful in their release of Rome II. Their reputation, however, have taken quite a blow, especially since that interview with Tim Heaton. But I think that a lot of people exagerate how much their jimmies have been rustled. Is Rome II a disaster? I personally don't think so. It has its problems, but a lot of the anger on this site I think stems from the expectations built up by both CA and from some of the members themselves. I am a TW-player of the Warscape generation, I have no experience with the games of the franchise before Empire. For many others who have played the series much longer than I, Rome Total War is perhaps the height of TW. Of course they would be the most excited by a sequel to a game they loved. So when the game was announced, very few suspected that Rome II wouldn't be the game they had imagined for so long. I personally thought that it would be the greatest game in the franchise. And what did I and everybody else get? At launch, a really bad game. Now, it's been promoted to decent, even good in some places in my opinion. But neither the community or me wants a decent Total War, the series have held a very good standard for a long time, so one would naturally expect a lot more than what we got.The TW series have had its bumps in the road, but it's still going strong. If CA wants to keep it that way, they have a lot to change if they want to keep this strong fanbase that they've gathered for over a decade.