Can CA recover from Rome 2 ?

[Carlucio]

Empire was buggy but the core of the game was much improved compared to previous games, many parts of the game received major improvements like diplomacy, economy, city management, revolts, trade... Then came Shogun II and made it even better, but all of it was destroyed in Rome II.

[SirPeacemaker]

Recover? Recover from what?

This game was hugely successful, at least compared to the other TW games.

You are joking mate, right??

[Valbruch]

You are joking mate, right??

Why would he be joking ? The game sold like crazy and for a bussiness company like SEGA, that's the most important measure of success.

Don't mistake succesful with well made.

[Kambe]

Recover? Recover from what?

This game was hugely successful, at least compared to the other TW games.

Totally correct. They probably completed their short term goals from preorders and day 1 sales. As for long term? Rome 2 DLCs sales are gonna suffer a bit due to drop of people still playing the game. Players probably lost all the trust they had in CA folks, noticed even Jack Lusted being mentioned. Their PR machine? If there is still someone who believes those Rally Point muppets then he is no smarter than Rome 2 AI.

[UselessPoster]

Totally correct. They probably completed their short term goals from preorders and day 1 sales. As for long term? Rome 2 DLCs sales are gonna suffer a bit due to drop of people still playing the game. Players probably lost all the trust they had in CA folks, noticed even Jack Lusted being mentioned. Their PR machine? If there is still someone who believes those Rally Point muppets then he is no smarter than Rome 2 AI.

Which muppets are you speaking of ?.

[Kambe]

Which muppets are you speaking of ?.

The 2 main ones that lead it and the devs like the ai programmer muppet that told us imaginary tales of how great is AI, etc.

[yutterh]

Empire was forgiven because it was a brand new engine and stuff was supposed to be buggy and a little messed up. They fixed that with napoleon and shogun 2. This was just not expected at all. How you make a game on a engine they have been using and made very good strides for become worse then the game they first started with on the engine. I don't see them fixing it or caring to fix it. I expect they will add the things we wanted in expansions and such but the main game we have will be forever ruined.

[Lord Ragnar]

Just had to point this out. All sorted with a clean installation of RTW2, got the patch4 yep. and ready to rock "again".... Turn 1 "blaa blaa Rome your at war with the League, go kill them etc". clicked on my army already near them c/o CA starter units and off they go to war!!!. Ta da, menu pops up your army v there army etc. screen, sort out ranks ACTION!!!!!!. Move my units in..... Voice from the corner "Enemy reinforcement's spotted ". I look to the small scanner, 2 ships spots on the radar......... with eager mouse control, move over to the spot...... This can't be true 1 ship only...... "Wait, whats that coming out of the from the hills..... it's it's the other ship... Cool as you like the ship came up from the ground, drifted in and out of the sand dunes, passed my mass of troops, and then did a three point turn into the harbour. Class I said "And this is Patch4"... Guess I better wait for Patch 40 then". What I'm trying to say is, as with all games. I expect to have a patch come out for most PC based games. But this !!!!!!!. Remember back in the day with RTW1, one of the pet hates was the way units would clash and become one big mass, formations going all to hell, troops getting stuck in corners or just doing nothing ha ha. a mere 2 patches and aaaaaw all is better. Even the mod world got it brilliant.... What have we NOW..... er units all clashing into one big mass, formations going all to hell, troops getting stuck in corners or just doing nothing..... DID I JUST SAY THAT!!!!!!! And heres the BUT a big BUT, there isn't a patch or two, 4 up to now and we all know its not even half sorted. As to the mod world, Its having a hard time coming to grips with it. The MASTERS OF MOD are all having a hard time coming to terms with this, you only have to look on the forum to see more questions than answers been asked just to stop ctd. I do hope the Total War concept keeps true, But I fear a case of " A BRIDGE TOO FAR"....... respect to all mod masters, and fellow TW gamers....

[Bulk]

Recover? Recover from what?

This game was hugely successful, at least compared to the other TW games.

In terms of sales - yes, absolutely. And gameplaywise for many players - yes as well, it is a huge title. But most critics do not see this game as a huge success and a lot of hardcore players as well.

[Metallistic]

It depends. Imagine if they release all minor DLCs and the first expansion for free. Highly unlikely, but you never know how far they would go to regain the community's trust.

[Spartan999]

It depends. Imagine if they release all minor DLCs and the first expansion for free. Highly unlikely, but you never know how far they would go to regain the community's trust.

Yeah that would be great, but unfortunately CA/Sega is a running a company and wants to make much money as possible. It is a awful practice, but from a business perceptive I can see why they would do it.

Also did they ever fix the single player or the single player siege yet? I have yet to get the information out of my jack-ass of a friend and you are reliable source in my option.

[Metallistic]

Yeah that would be great, but unfortunately CA/Sega is a running a company and wants to make much money as possible. It is a awful practice, but from a business perceptive I can see why they would do it.

Also did they ever fix the single player or the single player siege yet? I have yet to get the information out of my jack-ass of a friend and you are reliable source in my option.

Nope. That is the main reason that I stopped playing campaign mode - siege AI is still broken.

[DavidtheDuke]

Nope. That is the main reason that I stopped playing campaign mode - siege AI is still broken.

Siege really is in the sense you can't even sally out and fight frozen AI like you could before. Now even in the city center/flag point the AI will still run around like crazy for some reason, giving you many more kills than you should be getting. AT least in previous ones the AI would actually fight you and not run through your lines.

[adrastea]

In terms of sales? Absolutely. ETW's launch was a disaster, but it turned out to be the most profitable game of the whole series. R2TW already sold 2 million copies.

In terms of trust? Seeing every time a new Total War comes out, people in the forums scream about how CA lied and the game is broken. But they keep coming back, not only forgetting about the problems of the past games but even glorifying them so they can bash the new one. So yes.

Nope. That is the main reason that I stopped playing campaign mode - siege AI is still broken.

I wouldn't even use the term "broken". Broken implies that there is a siege AI, but it's working properly. But at the moment, I don't even think there is a siege AI. It's just non-existent.

The whole army just rushes toward the capture point completely oblivious to any obstacles in their path. I can win any siege defense by just placing some units in front of the gate. Enemy units just gets slaughtered while trying to move through, without even fighting.

Seriously, in terms of siege it's as bad as Empire(which never got fixed either). In fact, the siege AI behavior looks suspiciously similar to that of the Empire's AI...

[karamazovmm]

recover? people really like hyperboles

its simple, they sold, they are selling, and everyday someone asks me how is the game and if they should get it, so basically they will sell. in terms of sale they are fine.

Now, if you are talking about gameplay, Im in the camp that this game is mostly fine. There are things that I want expanded, others revamped.

But who cares Im just guy that lost all hope in humanity and is actively seeking new slavers, if someone knows one, do please contact my cat.

[Jmonstra]

recover? people really like hyperboles

its simple, they sold, they are selling, and everyday someone asks me how is the game and if they should get it, so basically they will sell. in terms of sale they are fine.

Now, if you are talking about gameplay, Im in the camp that this game is mostly fine. There are things that I want expanded, others revamped.

But who cares Im just guy that lost all hope in humanity and is actively seeking new slavers, if someone knows one, do please contact my cat.

I suppose if your definition of success goes no farther than numbers of copies sold after an aggressive marketing campaign and is completely detached from quality and longevity, then yes this game is a smashing success.

[hellheaven1987]

Well, if you want to find a game developer that actually care the players' opinions Paradox is the right choice.

[Valbruch]

There is nothing to recover from. Consumers are known to have a short memory and next Total War title's preorder numbers will be through the roof again.

To quote a great sci-fi series: ''It is happening now, it has happened before, it will surely happen again.''

[gstephenopolous]

There is nothing to recover from. Consumers are known to have a short memory and next Total War title's preorder numbers will be through the roof again.To quote a great sci-fi series: ''It is happening now, it has happened before, it will surely happen again.''

Hey there, what sci-fi series is that? Google turned up nothing.

[Bento]

I'm an optimistic guy. So normally I'd think that the game will be patched and it will end up realising its potential.

But sadly, I find myself agreeing with Humble Warrior. They'll get it playable and then 1 or 2 more patches to gloss over the worst of the broken gameplay. And that will be it, because, yep, the game, stuffed and gutted as it is, sold and is selling. So I doubt "lessons will be learned" - or at least, a lesson other than "we can fool enough people to make a profit off *."

So, Total War will continue, but I seriously, seriously doubt they'll be Total War games I'll be wanting to play.
I hope I'm wrong.