Stop with the unhinged inbreds already!

**IronBrig4** · September 28, 2013, 12:13 PM

Does anybody know what causes different traits? It seems like half my generals are inbred and/or insane. Some of them came that way when I married them, which is fair enough. Most, however, gained those traits during gameplay and I have no idea why. It's not like I kept them completely idle; there's enough construction, rebellions and slave revolts to keep them busy.

With the original Rome, I learned that keeping them in a settlement with a Bacchic temple would drive them insane. That made sense, even though it still irritated me. But Rome 2's trait system seems arbitrary. It makes it impossible to gain much gravitas and they lose all their authority. Am I doing something wrong?

**baldrick13** · September 28, 2013, 12:18 PM

they follow the three rules of great sex: incest, twincest and wincest.

**Mithridate** · September 28, 2013, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by baldrick13

they follow the three rules of great sex: incest, twincest and wincest.

Id more put that as a general rule for the internet and its machinations, finding it less accurate for reality

But yea, pretty damn accurate regardless

Edit: God damnit TWC, do i always log in at the wrong times -.-'

**Korburss** · September 28, 2013, 01:25 PM

I recommend heading to the mod forums and finding a mod that does away with the traits or alters them. But if you really must, I believe someone posted a full list of them and their causes (Or a link to a google doc perhaps?) somewhere in the mod workshop but I can't seem to find it.

**Jean=A=Luc** · September 28, 2013, 01:29 PM

Are you sure you're not playing some kind of Game of Thrones mod?

**wulfgar610** · September 28, 2013, 01:33 PM

It seems to me that if you give them the zeal trait they very soon turn into unhinged loons, which adds to moral of troops in battles but makes them poorer in civil matters.

**Korburss** · September 28, 2013, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by wulfgar610

It seems to me that if you give them the zeal trait they very soon turn into unhinged loons, which adds to moral of troops in battles but makes them poorer in civil matters.

I choose the commander trait line every time and it doesn't seem to stop the madness.

**Bacon!** · September 28, 2013, 03:25 PM

I would also be very interested to know the cause of traits, if there is a post explaining the cause of traits I would also appreciate it if someone could post a link

**Humble Warrior** · September 28, 2013, 03:27 PM

I really don`t think it matters to the game at all. I don`t even pay attention to traits like I would in RTW and MTW2.

**RedGuard** · September 28, 2013, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Humble Warrior

I really don`t think it matters to the game at all. I don`t even pay attention to traits like I would in RTW and MTW2.

they are pretty useless. By the end of my rome campaign with radious mod had the max 30 armies. by the end about three generels and admirals were dying every other turn i just didn't give a

and just gave them random traits from the pool, i was gonna win regardless

**krisslanza** · September 28, 2013, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by RedGuard

they are pretty useless. By the end of my rome campaign with radious mod had the max 30 armies. by the end about three generels and admirals were dying every other turn i just didn't give a

and just gave them random traits from the pool, i was gonna win regardless

Well, yeah, that's kind of what happens when you have over three times the amount of troops/armies the game is balanced around

**RedGuard** · September 28, 2013, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by krisslanza

Well, yeah, that's kind of what happens when you have over three times the amount of troops/armies the game is balanced around

well 15 armies is just a ridiculously small number, especially when at the peak of the empire it had at least 28. either way by the end of the game traits mean even less than what they did at the start which is not saying much. I find that thirty armies is just about enough to defend the vast roman empire and still have the possibility of expanding to the trajan borders

**krisslanza** · September 28, 2013, 03:29 PM

Romans seem to get a lot of insane traits. The popular theory is because all their drinking water comes in through lead-lined piping.

**yuezhi** · September 28, 2013, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by krisslanza

Romans seem to get a lot of insane traits. The popular theory is because all their drinking water comes in through lead-lined piping.

Christians diddit!

**Jackal2233** · September 28, 2013, 04:19 PM

"Your generals gain crazy traits way too fast as if they know what kind of state the game is in" - Angry Joe

Sorry, I just found that line humorous in his review heh

Anyways there's a sanity mod out in the mod section

**Lord Oda Nobunaga** · September 28, 2013, 04:26 PM

What's wincest? Winning? Jerking your own bird (Win as in one?)? I also wonder how half the traits are even gained in total war games, I'm ni programmer so I have no good idea.

**baldrick13** · September 28, 2013, 04:30 PM

wincest is a combination of "win" and incest which means hot sex between two family members (making it "wincest")

**Silent_Bob** · September 28, 2013, 05:15 PM

i think wincest was coined for the winchester brothers going at it. The guys from the series Supernatural

**crzyrndm** · September 28, 2013, 06:33 PM

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...hlight=madness

Madness in vanilla is triggered by just about every negative trait a general can get, and for the romans, has a really high chance to trigger. This mod changes it to only genetic traits causing madness which drastically reduces the number of madmen in the roman empire