Clearing entries from EDU and DMB

**florin80** · September 17, 2006, 03:50 PM

There are a number of people out there who are doing mods for RTRPE. Most of these mods add new units in the game and AFAIK there are only 13 more entries left unused in the DMB before the critical level is reached. Now, how about modders would share what they have been able to delete or merge from these files in order to make new entries and add new units.
For example there is the "fat_warlock" entry that is still in place in RTRPE. This can be deleted as it is a joke. It also has to be deleted from EDU, export_units and descr_strat.

Here is the list of all the harcoded limits in RTW v1.5:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28608

AFAIK in RTRPE v1.7 beta patch, the following numbers apply to EDU and DMB:
EDU has 371 entries out of the total of 500
DMB has 242 entries out of the total of 255

So, if anyone can contribute to this please post here. I`m especially interested in what LestaT, Candelarius, limes and all the guys who made mods for RTRPE that add units have to say.
This can also be used as a starting point for those who want to make mods for RTRPE.

Also, if anyone makes tests with this and finds problems or thinks that one of the changes posted here might have bad consequences please post in this thread.

UPDATE
I will post here the suggestions we receive.

1. delete the "fat_warlock" entry from DMB. It also needs to be removed from EDU, export_units and descr_strat.
2. deleting the entry for "cretan_archers" from DMB and changing the entry in the EDU for soldier for "merc cretan archers" (to "soldier greek_archer"). As suggested by Oddball_E8 here .
3. deleting the greek_armoured_hoplite_general from DMB as it is not in use. Suggested by Oddball_E8 here
4. merging the aor_greece_hoplite with the greek_hoplite in the DMB. This will make the first have the look of the second unless you change the textures. Either way, one of the textures will no longer be in use. But, they look similar and it`s no great lose if you really want to add something else. The two seem to have the same model: unit_greek_hoplite.
Suggested by Oddball_E8 here .
Their entries in EDU and DMB:
for Mercenary Hoplitai
- in EDU - merc greek hoplites
- in DMB - greek_hoplite

for Hoplitai
- in EDU - aor greece spearmen
- in EDU - aor greece spearmen custom
- in DMB - aor_greece_hoplite

5. Remove the entry for "east_cataphract_archer" in the DMB. It is not in use in EDU. Alternatively you can make an entry in the EDU so that you`ll have a new unit using the texture "armenia_cavalry_cataphract_archer.tga". Suggested by Salvor Hardin here

6. Deleting the entry "barb_infantry" from the DMB. It is not in use in EDB or in descr_mercenaries. Only thing is that I think it is used in custom battles and in the historical battle of Trebia. Removing it might cause problems for the historical battle, but otherwise the campaign won`t miss anything. Suggested by Lord Cunami here

7. Merging these two entries from DMB: "aor_gaul_light_cavalry" and "barb_cavalry" as suggested here . I think that one of the textures from the second named entry is not in use and that another one can be deleted with the same consequiences as in the previous point.

**The Walrus** · September 17, 2006, 03:54 PM

Thanks

**TiFlo** · September 17, 2006, 05:17 PM

Very, very, very good idea florin80!
...
But I have nothing to post (as all I've done until now is using free slots)... Sorry

**florin80** · September 17, 2006, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by TiFlo

Very, very, very good idea florin80!
...
But I have nothing to post (as all I've done until now is using free slots)... Sorry

Thanks for the moral support though! I hope that if all experienced RTRPE modders come together we can find the best solution to make as few entries in those files as possible. And maybe release a final updated version of EDU and DMB which we`ll all be able to use then.

**The Walrus** · September 17, 2006, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by florin80

Thanks for the moral support though! I hope that if all experienced RTRPE modders come together we can find the best solution to make as few entries in those files as possible. And maybe release a final updated version of EDU and DMB which we`ll all be able to use then.

Does 1.7 delete Fat Warlock? The Walrus-being a

**florin80** · September 17, 2006, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by The Walrus

Does 1.7 delete Fat Warlock? The Walrus-being a

No. It`s still there and I didn`t hear about any plans to take it out for the full install, but I`ll make sure I`ll delete it from my game. I don`t want to meet that on the battle map. It`s in some stock; not sure where exactly. Maybe in Britain.

**Salvor Hardin** · September 18, 2006, 01:35 AM

Au contraire, it is a shameful unit. Which is what it was intended to be...I have removed a lot of units in 77 BC, but it is due to the fact that it is a different timeframe so I am not very helpful either. The only thing that comes to my mind are the sword hypatists, which were not historical. But as RTR PE is a direct port of RTR I am not sure it would be right to remove them either.

**florin80** · September 18, 2006, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Salvor Hardin

Au contraire, it is a shameful unit. Which is what it was intended to be...I have removed a lot of units in 77 BC, but it is due to the fact that it is a different timeframe so I am not very helpful either. The only thing that comes to my mind are the sword hypatists, which were not historical. But as RTR PE is a direct port of RTR I am not sure it would be right to remove them either.

No, please post you`re suggestions. They are welcomed. By me, anyway. This is not intended to be something that goes into the next release of RTRPE, but a guide for people who make optional add-ons for it. It will not affect RTRPE directly and it will only help people decide what units to leave or remove from the add-ons they make for personal use or for release. Thanks for your suggestion!

**Arbaces** · September 18, 2006, 02:39 AM

there are only 13 more entries left unused in the DMB before the critical level is reached.

OMFG It's going to blow!!!... We're all going to die!!

Yes, good thing you're concerned with this. You can further try searching in DMB for entries which count on the same models and remove them (search for the same model name). Of course the fat warlocks should be removed (donated to CA eventually, they would use it) as well as other crew stuff can be replaced with other models (for ex: replace the crew models with the levy units each faction owns).

Arbaces.

**Oddball_E8** · September 18, 2006, 06:53 AM

well how about the "greek archer" and "cretan archers", they use the same model... ive combined them quite successfully in the past...

**florin80** · September 18, 2006, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by Oddball_E8

well how about the "greek archer" and "cretan archers", they use the same model... ive combined them quite successfully in the past...

Thanks! I`ll have to take a look at it.

**florin80** · September 18, 2006, 07:04 AM

Ok, I found this in DMB:

Code:

type				greek_archer
skeleton			fs_archer, fs_fast_dagger
indiv_range			40
texture				macedon, data/RTR/models_unit/textures/macedon_archer.tga
texture				greek_cities, data/RTR/models_unit/textures/greek_archer.tga
texture				merc, data/RTR/models_unit/textures/merc_greek_archer.tga
model_flexi			data/models_unit/unit_greek_archer_high.cas, 15
model_flexi			data/models_unit/unit_greek_archer_med.cas, 30
model_flexi			data/models_unit/unit_greek_archer_low.cas, 40
model_flexi			data/models_unit/unit_greek_archer_lowest.cas, max
model_sprite		merc, 60.0, data/RTR/sprites/greek_archer_sprite.spr
model_sprite		greek_cities, 60.0, data/RTR/sprites/greek_cities_greek_archer_sprite.spr
model_sprite		macedon, 60.0, data/RTR/sprites/macedon_greek_archer_sprite.spr
model_tri			400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

type				cretan_archer
skeleton			fs_archer, fs_fast_dagger
indiv_range			40
texture				merc, data/RTR/models_unit/textures/merc_greek_archer.tga
model_flexi			data/models_unit/unit_greek_archer_high.cas, 15
model_flexi			data/models_unit/unit_greek_archer_med.cas, 30
model_flexi			data/models_unit/unit_greek_archer_low.cas, 40
model_flexi			data/models_unit/unit_greek_archer_lowest.cas, max
model_sprite		merc, 60.0, data/RTR/sprites/greek_archer_sprite.spr
model_tri			400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

I don`t get it. It looks like the texture for the cretan archer(merc_greek) is already there. Why did they made a separate entry for it then? Where is my mistake?

**Arbaces** · September 18, 2006, 09:56 AM

I don`t get it. It looks like the texture for the cretan archer(merc_greek) is already there. Why did they made a separate entry for it then? Where is my mistake?

You see... not your mistake. Theirs. Take out cretan and check it in EDU as well so that you replace it. good find Oddball_E8!

**florin80** · September 18, 2006, 10:53 AM

Right. I deleted the entry for cretan archers in the DMB and I have replaced the entry for "soldier" from the EDU for "merc cretan archers":
soldier cretan_archer
to this:
soldier greek_archer

I played a custom battle with the cretan archer and a battle in a greek campaign with both the cretan archer and the greek toxotes and I had no problems. I will update the first post here ASAP. Thanks Oddball_E8!

**Oddball_E8** · September 18, 2006, 12:28 PM

not a problem... i did that quite alot in RTR gold and RTRPE 1.4 since i used ALOT of custom officers for the romans... custom centurion, aquilifier and all that for EVERY type of main infantry (legion, first legion, hastati, principes and triarii)...
so i needed some space...

**florin80** · September 18, 2006, 12:34 PM

Do you know of any other entries that we might clear?

**Oddball_E8** · September 18, 2006, 12:45 PM

i dont remember them... but i can check sometime...
i do recall something about bastarnae... but that might just be the textures, cos i recall being annoyed about something there...

**florin80** · September 18, 2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Oddball_E8

i dont remember them... but i can check sometime...
i do recall something about bastarnae... but that might just be the textures, cos i recall being annoyed about something there...

No, I think they have the same entry in DMB. For the merc and the one used by dacia. That is if I checked correctly.

**Oddball_E8** · September 18, 2006, 12:50 PM

oh yeah... theres always the "armoured_hoplite_general" unit... wich isnt in use

**florin80** · September 18, 2006, 01:08 PM

Thanks! I`ll check.
On the other hand I found something that should have been added.

The Persian Sparabara (aor eastern spearmen and aor eastern spearmen custom in the EDU) and eastern mercenaries (rtr_merc_eastern_infantry in the EDU) have the same entry for soldier (aor_persia_sparabara) and they share the same model(unit_persian_sparabara) aaand the same texture(merc_sparabara.tga) in the DMB, so they look the same on the battle map. The odd part is that they have different UI. So, at some point they must have had different textures. I think. Any idea what the other texture would be and if it`s included in one of the RTR installers?

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