Come on then!, who else thinks Rome Total War or its mods is better than Total War: Rome 2 is it just me ?.

[Gigantus]

Please refrain from re-posting previous material - especially if it involves mile long spoilers.

[BroskiDerpman]

I am referencing one link between the campaign to the battlemap; In Rome 1 the tile your forces stood on was represented on the battlemap just much more detailed. In Rome 2 if I remember correctly it's randomly generated from a set of maps.

The rest was just making fun of the color scheme that Rome 2 uses.

[stackero]

I am referencing one link between the campaign to the battlemap; In Rome 1 the tile your forces stood on was represented on the battlemap just much more detailed. In Rome 2 if I remember correctly it's randomly generated from a set of maps.

The rest was just making fun of the color scheme that Rome 2 uses.

I agree with your assessment completely BroskiDerpman, on the link between the campaign to the battlemap.
I was just pointing out my like for the map starting out in the beginning of the game.

BroskiDerpman
Agreed, the map especially looks barren when you have a zoom out camera mod. Then when you use that mod you start to notice how silly the whole map looks.

I agree how the maze map style only really works for Shogun 2. At least in Shogun 2 it made sense as Japan has quite a few mountains. One of the main problem I had in Shogun 2 is when you have a low level settlement and then have a full stack of troops; it becomes a turkey shoot for the enemy, the rest of my annoyances were minor but CA could've corrected them and some could be modded in.

Of course it is all just my own opinion and of course when some one speaks their thoughts there are emotions or else why would that be an opinion... (A disclaimer)

Yes, this is the problem, a barren empty feel as the map begins to reveal itself after a short time of play, and the constricted nature of the map allowing little strategic maneuvering, unlike Rome 1.

I can''t comment on Shogun 2 much. I refused to buy because of Empire, Napoleon too, and I really wanted Nap bad. But CA got their revenge on me in the end, no pun intended.

I fell for the dishonest hype, and preordered. I should have known better, but it was 'Rome 2', surely they wouldn't mess that up. Opps, going off topic.

Good Gaming

[General Maximus]

Notice how the RTW campaign map (modded or not) looks far more 'alive' and vibrant. It looks so fresh and living.

Rome II campaign map is good, but not enough when compared to RTW's modded maps. Sure, more provinces and a larger focus, but it comes with more downfalls than it is worth.

Campaign map in Rome II is plain dead, with hardly any signs of life apart from the armies and agents. Just one running trade route through the capital with a few traders going around, and that's about it. Maybe a few ships too, from a trade port.

The worst problem is the coastlines. They look like some 8 year old kid designed some boxes and blocks of cliffs for the coastlines, instead of proper smooth curved shores. It looks like someone in 1980s tried to make a box-shaped pixelized map of Europe and Middle East. It is nothing close to the great realistic coastlines of Shogun II, or any game of this decade.

The mainland too has problems. They tried to imitate Shogun II system, which only works for Japan and nowhere else. The whole map is full of tiny corridors and mountain valleys, even in massive plain areas like France. Where there are no mountains on the sides of the roads, there are forests. CA is trying to 'guide' the player by forcing him to go only in certain paths. Probably to aid the pathetic AI that doesn't know where to march using his armies. But this creates problems, as less than 25% of the map is actually accessible. And where the player finally finds some empty plain ground for moving his armies, there come the oversized cities that cover all that area. There is nothing left for battlegrounds or maneuvering.

Compare the Cyprus and the Balearic Islands of Rome II to the ones in vanilla RTW and it's mods. I bet you will find the latter much more authentic and good in quality.

[stackero]

[QUOTE]

Notice how the RTW campaign map (modded or not) looks far more 'alive' and vibrant. It looks so fresh and living.

Rome II campaign map is good, but not enough when compared to RTW's modded maps. Sure, more provinces and a larger focus, but it comes with more downfalls than it is worth.

Campaign map in Rome II is plain dead, with hardly any signs of life apart from the armies and agents. Just one running trade route through the capital with a few traders going around, and that's about it. Maybe a few ships too, from a trade port.

The worst problem is the coastlines. They look like some 8 year old kid designed some boxes and blocks of cliffs for the coastlines, instead of proper smooth curved shores. It looks like someone in 1980s tried to make a box-shaped pixelized map of Europe and Middle East. It is nothing close to the great realistic coastlines of Shogun II, or any game of this decade.

The mainland too has problems. They tried to imitate Shogun II system, which only works for Japan and nowhere else. The whole map is full of tiny corridors and mountain valleys, even in massive plain areas like France. Where there are no mountains on the sides of the roads, there are forests. CA is trying to 'guide' the player by forcing him to go only in certain paths. Probably to aid the pathetic AI that doesn't know where to march using his armies. But this creates problems, as less than 25% of the map is actually accessible. And where the player finally finds some empty plain ground for moving his armies, there come the oversized cities that cover all that area. There is nothing left for battlegrounds or maneuvering.

These pics likely illustrate part of what your pointing out, General Maximus.
Posted earlier byCanOmer

A quick comparison with RTW and the cut content with Carthage on campaign map:

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CanOmerA quick comparison with RTW and the cut content with Carthage on campaign map:

[AngryTitusPullo]

Campaign map in Rome II is plain dead, with hardly any signs of life apart from the armies and agents. Just one running trade route through the capital with a few traders going around, and that's about it. Maybe a few ships too, from a trade port.

Seems like we're playing different games. My campaign map was full of activities and feel much more alive. Maybe you need to play longer once trade flourishes you will see more what ypu're longing to see ?

[karamazovmm]

Seems like we're playing different games. My campaign map was full of activities and feel much more alive. Maybe you need to play longer once trade flourishes you will see more what ypu're longing to see ?

you don't need to play much, on my pontus campaign I have tons of trading carts and boats, btw Im just 30 turns in

[BroskiDerpman]

Agreed, the map especially looks barren when you have a zoom out camera mod. Then when you use that mod you start to notice how silly the whole map looks.

I agree how the maze map style only really works for Shogun 2. At least in Shogun 2 it made sense as Japan has quite a few mountains. One of the main problem I had in Shogun 2 is when you have a low level settlement and then have a full stack of troops; it becomes a turkey shoot for the enemy, the rest of my annoyances were minor but CA could've corrected them and some could be modded in.



Of course it is all just my own opinion and of course when some one speaks their thoughts there are emotions or else why would that be an opinion... (A disclaimer)

[stackero]

Rome 1 better plus mods.

Von koh RS2



RS2 pics

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Tadzreuli




Tadzreuli




MorganHThe 10th legion is crushing the Helvetii and their allies..


MorganHThe 10th legion is crushing the Helvetii and their allies..



Pics of my naval Landing along the Ilyrian Coast:
Sertorio



Duke Tritus

Duke Tritus

Duke Tritus



General Brittanicus
A few from a battle of Seleucids v Pontus:

[General Maximus]

Just to point out, Rome II doesn't use fixed templates for battlemaps like Shogun II, it uses real-time battle maps based on campaign, like in the old RTW. Shogun II, Empire and Napoleon, however, did use the templates.

That is where the problem comes up. The campaign map itself is butt ugly, with everything being nothing more than boxes and blocks of cliffs. These show up in battles too.

[stackero]

Reason Rome 1 better plus mods.

(Note) I will soon stop posting pics and vids, likely within a week or two, so get 'em while there hot.


Worm RS2



RS2 pics

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General Brittanicus RS2


General BrittanicusI took a few more from a battle of Sparta v Rome RS2




General BrittanicusI took a few more from a battle of Sparta v Rome RS2


General BrittanicusI took a few more from a battle of Sparta v Rome RS2



General BrittanicusI took a few more from a battle of Sparta v Rome RS2



General BrittanicusA few shots from a battle of Parthia v Rome ('A little help here please!')


byHead of the Heavy Chargers Boii is entering Dacian lands over the mountains.



Boii army charging Dacian army. by
Head of the Heavy Chargers

Rise Of Persia pics

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portvcale


Dionisy ROP Battle again Macedon


Dionisy

Some buttles against greeks ROP


Mediolanicus ROP

Sigma Here is my small nation of Democratic Athens/Greece: ROP


War lord



Pinkie Pie Rise of Persia




YuilenZ01 ROP

[dvk901]

Just to point out, Rome II doesn't use fixed templates for battlemaps like Shogun II, it uses real-time battle maps based on campaign, like in the old RTW. Shogun II, Empire and Napoleon, however, did use the templates.

That is where the problem comes up. The campaign map itself is butt ugly, with everything being nothing more than boxes and blocks of cliffs. These show up in battles too.

I've looked at the files....Rome2 certainly does NOT use a battlefield map like RTW or M2TW. The only connection between the strat map and the battlefield you play on is map point that scuttles you over into a 'canned' map that is randomly generated. In fact, their are only two cities that are 'unique' in Rome2...Rome and Carthage. All the rest, as far as I have been able to determine, are all the same. Also, this strat map was constructed to 'funnel' the player into certain areas of the map, as well as the AI, so that the 'conversion' or transfer of a battle to the canned map would be easier (far fewer points on the map, or areas on the map to worry about. The rest of the map is dead and useless.

I do believe the game 'tries' to match the battlefield to the strat map, but it has been mentioned before that this is not always the case. In effect, the whole system is a cheap imitation of the way previous TW maps were dynamically related.

[General Maximus]

Wow, that RS2 Legionary looks far better than Rome II's legionaries with goldfish mouths.

I've looked at the files....Rome2 certainly does NOT use a battlefield map like RTW or M2TW. The only connection between the strat map and the battlefield you play on is map point that scuttles you over into a 'canned' map that is randomly generated. In fact, their are only two cities that are 'unique' in Rome2...Rome and Carthage. All the rest, as far as I have been able to determine, are all the same. Also, this strat map was constructed to 'funnel' the player into certain areas of the map, as well as the AI, so that the 'conversion' or transfer of a battle to the canned map would be easier (far fewer points on the map, or areas on the map to worry about. The rest of the map is dead and useless.

I do believe the game 'tries' to match the battlefield to the strat map, but it has been mentioned before that this is not always the case. In effect, the whole system is a cheap imitation of the way previous TW maps were dynamically related.

I am still wondering which is true - the templates or the dynamic maps. The game imitates the campaign map so closely (even depicting those ugly cliffs everywhere) yet sometimes it can be random enough.

Though I can confirm at least a good degree of dynamism. Roads are depicted as they should be, cliffs and other things are also depicted as they should be. Templates are used in cities and towns for sure.

[stackero]

Reason Rome 1 better plus mods
(Note) I will soon stop posting pics and vids, likely within a week or two, so get 'em while their hot.

For better experience of the pics, increase your zoom a bit.

General Brittanicus RS2 That's, ' Mister bad ass', to you.



RS2 pics

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MkdRanger
Selucids vs Ptolemis



MorganH






Chernish Falxmen attack


Chernish Macedonian vs pretorians


MorganH.



mikea4My first real battle with the mighty Rome.
Cimbri warriors approach the Roman lines and after volleys of flaming arrows our warriors mount a full on charge!!
caratacus


caratacus












Nick was already in use Here are some pics from a battle between seleucid and ptolemaic armys in syria.



Nick was already in use



(too good not to post again)
Nick was already in use Here are some pics from a battle between seleucid and ptolemaic armys in syria.



Ophiokhos Carthage during my Gallaeci campaign.


Ophiokhos Carthage during my Gallaeci campaign.




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Nick was already in use


Nick was already in use
Korinthian Hoplite

Brusilov


Nick was already in use What! Taking a souvenir is he?

[stackero]

Reason Romes 1 is better plus mods.
(Note) I will soon stop posting pics and vids, likely within a week, maybe two, so get 'em while their hot.

A Blast from the past Vanilla Rome/Expansions pictures

Who let the dogs out, who, who? Who let the dogs out?





Nothing but vanilla Rome/Expansion pics

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Hoplite vs Hoplite



Ahh, the good old days.


Romans vs Greeks


The Emperor must be in town.


Steady men. Don' get cocky. There's plenty more headed this way.


Defending the city




Having a bad day. Death of a leader.

A few Vanilla Rome vids

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Replays but good ones.

I love vids with grit. Julii intro final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=RWVgQYN37yk

Rome total war: Greek intro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=4LXRqS2CL54

Rome intro vid Fan edited.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IKlV...yer_detailpage

Rome : Total War - Trailer. Fan made =heavily edited
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=k3y0tvky5Iw

Rome Total War Vanilla- Barbarian intro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSoIt...yer_detailpage

Rome Total War - Iced Earth : Stand Alone (Sparta 3 TW mod)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=N4xzdF3uyc0

rome total war movie13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXl0D...D665F1B3BFBFB0

[Dago Red]

Thousands of people pointing out objective failings of a game with one person spamming each thread on TWC about how great it is doesn't make it true.


Hilarious screenie, a favorite moment shared by many I'm sure!

PS.

10 year old Rome I dogs look better than, Rome II's low texture dogs... they don't even have different colored paws. it's crazy! In general Rome II's art department is really good, but they really dropped the ball on a few things.

[krisslanza]

Thousands of people pointing out objective failings of a game with one person spamming each thread on TWC about how great it is doesn't make it true.

Keep telling yourself that Dago. I can always be happy that when I see you posting in a thread I posted in, it's something funny.

[Duncan III]

RII is a sad downgrade of RTW, only a moron wouldn't see that .

[krisslanza]

RII is a sad downgrade of RTW, only a moron wouldn't see that .

Yeah I'm sure your opinion is fact. Rome 2 being the most successful TW yet must suggest there's either a lot of morons, or more likely, you're just wrong.

[Duncan III]

Yeah I'm sure your opinion is fact. Rome 2 being the most successful TW yet must suggest there's either a lot of morons, or more likely, you're just wrong.

More likely that there are a lot of morons.