Slingers defeating Legendary AI.

[Slipz]

My friend is new to Total war, We did play some empire total war however.

So we are playing multiplayer campagin me as Averni he is playing Iceni.

He has just staken the entire british isles taking every city only using slingers, The legendary AI wont charge out to chase the singers at all, Only possibly sending one unit at a time.

While on the subject of slingers, How can these pebbles decimate armored legionaries in matters of seconds? The romans had MASSIVE shields and good armor dammit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpqzZzwoyg4 for those who thinks a slingshot to a helmet will smash your brain.

[sgthunter]

That is exactly what I did in my first games... then I upgraded to ballistas with explosive ammo.

[Humble Warrior]

While on the subject of slingers, How can these pebbles decimate armored legionaries in matters of seconds? The romans had MASSIVE shields and good armor dammit.

They didn`t. Slingers are overpowered it seems in RTW2.

[Mithridate]

Not at all, sling>arrow in the ancient world and a lead slingshot was the worst thing for a legionaire overall, a hit would break bones while an arrow would more likely glance off or simply cut whilst being much easier to spot and protect oneself from. Even stone sling outranged and outmatched arrow, the advantage with the bow being that its easier to use. In game however, they only need to nerf flaming javelins ( whom where used albeit rarely ) and arrows. Removing them completely for anything mounted -.-'

Nothing piss me off as much as mounted archers and javelin-men decimating my units with unbalanced and completely nonsensical fiery death.

Found anything you liked with the game Humble Warrior?

[Humble Warrior]

Not at all, sling>arrow in the ancient world and a lead slingshot was the worst thing for a legionaire overall

Why do you even bother? why do I bother to argue with such nonsense? You know I could refute that ludicrous claim with examples of why it is so stupid, but I`ll instead ask you one question...

If what you say is true, why weren`t Roman armies slaughtered by hosts of slingers in real life?

Found anything you liked with the game Humble Warrior?

I could answer that, but I don`t have the inclination to.

[SOF]

Not at all, sling>arrow in the ancient world and a lead slingshot was the worst thing for a legionaire overall, a hit would break bones while an arrow would more likely glance off or simply cut whilst being much easier to spot and protect oneself from. Even stone sling outranged and outmatched arrow, the advantage with the bow being that its easier to use.

From Warhammer Ancient Battles Hannibal and the Punic Wars Supplement On Balaeric Slingers:

Although these have a great reputation among wargamers, their supposed effectiveness may be simply due to the fact that long range missile troops were rare in the western Mediterranean. Carthage employed a few Sardinian and Moorish archers at times, but there was never the reliance on missile exchanges that are more typical of Hellenistic warfare in the east.

Much like there table top equivalents R2TW slingers get a better reputation that they perhaps deserve.

[rob-a-dogg]

Um yeah slings > bows irl its simple physics, mass + force = energy - slings had far higher potential in most cases and as mentioned are harder to see coming.

[Mithridate]

You should read history Humble Warrior, especially Caesar's. Its interesting stuff and id like to see you refute my claim.

Much as your question is a non sequitor, roman troops were. May have to dust off some books to prove that statement though but desert towns were well known to be bad places to be due to the amount of people able to use slings and the flat rooftops allowing for excellent ambushing during the many religious uprisings.

But how about you read up about ancient warfare and slings to stay on topic?

[karamazovmm]

not this nonsense of slingers are overpowered again, people keep thinking that those piss poor short bows that people used were magic composite and longbows.

slingers are the king of range in that period.

OP, the BAI in walled settlements will always try to be behind the walls. if they are out of skirmishers on non walled settlements they will stay there and be killed

[Slipz]

It's not whine about slingers, But I say that maybe the initial hits might cause casualties among soldiers with large shields, But when the soldiers take cover behind their shields while stationary the sling would be insanely ineffective, or against the testudo (which is bugged)

When I look on a battlefield and see 4-6000 soldiers wearing massive shields and armor all of them dead from slingers I just think it looks so wierd and I havent read of any such thing in history.

[Crymson]

not this nonsense of slingers are overpowered again, people keep thinking that those piss poor short bows that people used were magic composite and longbows.

slingers are the king of range in that period.

Not this nonsense of nothing is wrong with the game again. Slings had good range but poor damage. They were a threat to unarmored troops, but had very little chance of causing harm to a properly armored infantryman carrying a good shield.

With the exception of the Balearic peoples, slingers were almost always poorly trained irregulars.

OP, the BAI in walled settlements will always try to be behind the walls. if they are out of skirmishers on non walled settlements they will stay there and be killed

Wonderful.

[Dredd]

Although the slings beat bows and arrows in range, bows and arrows pretty much take the win in anything else. There's a reason why bows survived throughout the ages and slings did not(combat wise that is). Plus, arrows weren't always spear headed, civilizations learned to change the point of their arrows when it came to their different enemies. Romans falling to stones as if they were getting arrow barraged unarmored is completely absurd. Sure, a few well placed hits can kill even the most armored man, but thats what shields are for as well.

[karamazovmm]

that would be interesting if you actually knew that slings were still used way past prime time, one example is iberia, I gave you the location you can guess the time period.

aside that they were very much used in the middle ages as well, I hate that name

[Dredd]

that would be interesting if you actually knew that slings were still used way past prime time, one example is iberia, I gave you the location you can guess the time period.

aside that they were very much used in the middle ages as well, I hate that name

Slings in Spain were only used because the Moors were poorly armored therefore the Spanish and Portuguese didn't need to use arrows.

And out of siege warfare, the Sling was completely useless in combat during the "Middle Ages".

There's a reason why you don't see people flinging stones at knights in Europe, it's all arrows and crossbow bolts that are fired at the tanks on horses.

[Mithridate]

It seems we are talking over each other, i shall cease here.

[Mithridate]

Imagine what a lead shot slung by a sling would do to the skull and brain of someone even wearing a helmet, even a hit glancing off at 45 degrees.
Imagine what it would do if impacting with an arm, think you would be able to use that arm? An arrow wound and you would most likely still be able to, assuming it penetrated. An arrow to the helm would at worst be a concussion and unlikely to penetrate.

Just picture the force and damage, if we are talking regular stones then sure. A glancing hit would be about as damaging as a broadhead arrow i imagine...

As to why the slings did not last as long or well as the bow, id mostly put it down to the bow being easier to use but its by no means that simple.

[Dredd]

Imagine what a lead shot slung by a sling would do to the skull and brain of someone even wearing a helmet, even a hit glancing off at 45 degrees.
Imagine what it would do if impacting with an arm, think you would be able to use that arm? An arrow wound and you would most likely still be able to, assuming it penetrated. An arrow to the helm would at worst be a concussion and unlikely to penetrate.

Just picture the force and damage, if we are talking regular stones then sure. A glancing hit would be about as damaging as a broadhead arrow i imagine...

As to why the slings did not last as long or well as the bow, id mostly put it down to the bow being easier to use but its by no means that simple.

I never denied the sling's lehality, I'm just saying that a arrow will kill you 90% of the time it manages to get through you because of shock, punctured arteries, bleeding out, destroyed organs, y'know, medical crap. Whereas stones, you can still get up with some bruising or a broken bone. You don't want your enemies wounded, you want them dead.

interesting, so reconquista aint middle ages? tell me more!

aside that have you heard of blunt force trauma?

I never said they weren't. However Reconquista is only applicable to the Iberian peninsula.

Sure, a few well placed hits can kill even the most armored man, but thats what shields are for as well.

[Slipz]

Imagine what a lead shot slung by a sling would do to the skull and brain of someone even wearing a helmet, even a hit glancing off at 45 degrees.
Imagine what it would do if impacting with an arm, think you would be able to use that arm? An arrow wound and you would most likely still be able to, assuming it penetrated. An arrow to the helm would at worst be a concussion and unlikely to penetrate.

Just picture the force and damage, if we are talking regular stones then sure. A glancing hit would be about as damaging as a broadhead arrow i imagine...

As to why the slings did not last as long or well as the bow, id mostly put it down to the bow being easier to use but its by no means that simple.

Just no... You know you can put on a M1 army helmet and shoot yourself with a 17th century pistol and be fine after, Im trying to find that youtube video of a guy doing it? A slingshot hitting a helmet would not do much other than possibly ping.

[Mithridate]

Just no... You know you can put on a M1 army helmet and shoot yourself with a 17th century pistol and be fine after, Im trying to find that youtube video of a guy doing it? A slingshot hitting a helmet would not do much other than possibly ping.

Nice comparison you've got going there.
Ping? Really? Im sorry to say but I wouldn't touch the comment about a 17th century pistol with a ten foot pike

[IlluminatiRex]

Just no... You know you can put on a M1 army helmet and shoot yourself with a 17th century pistol and be fine after, Im trying to find that youtube video of a guy doing it? A slingshot hitting a helmet would not do much other than possibly ping.

Roman Helmet's were not made of steel.

At first the Romans used Brass, than later on they used Bronze. As well, some later helmets were made using Iron.



Shows the sling's effectiveness against flesh there with a stone, and then with the lead ammo that was used. Best example I can think of for that atm. Skip to about 1:00